WASHINGTON - It may be the season for vampires, ghosts and zombies. Just remember, they're not real, warns physicist Costas Efthimiou. Obviously, you might say. But Efthimiou, a professor at the University of Central Florida, points to surveys that show American gullibility for the supernatural.
Using science and math, Efthimiou explains why it is ghosts can't walk among us while also gliding through walls, like Patrick Swayze in the movie "Ghost." That violates Newton's law of action and reaction. If ghosts walk, their feet apply force to the floor, but if they go through walls they are without substance, the professor says.
"So which is it? Are ghosts material or material-less?" he asks.
Zombies and vampires fare even worse under Efthimiou's skeptical microscope.
Efthimiou looked at the most prominent child-turned-zombie case that zombie aficionados cite: the 1989 case of a Haitian 17-year-old who was declared dead and then rose from the grave a day after the funeral and was considered a zombie. The boy, who never died but was paralyzed and could not communicate, had been poisoned with toxins from a relative of the deadly Japanese pufferfish, later research showed.
Efthimiou takes out the calculator to prove that if a vampire sucked one person's blood each month — turning each victim into an equally hungry vampire — after a couple of years there would be no people left, just vampires. He started his calculations with just one vampire and 537 million humans on Jan. 1, 1600 and shows that the human population would be down to zero by July 1602.
Take that Casper, Dracula and creepy friends.
All this may seem obvious, but to Efthimiou and other scientists, the public often isn't as skeptical as you might think. Efthimiou points to National Science Foundation reports showing widespread belief in pseudosciences — such as vampires, astrology and ESP.
More than 1 in 3 Americans believe houses can be haunted, a 2005 Gallup poll showed. More than 20 percent of Americans believe in witches and that people can communicate with the dead. TV shows such as "Medium" and "Ghost Whisperer" are popular.
"We're talking about a large fraction of the public that believes in subjects that scientists believe are out of the question," said Efthimiou. His paper is in an archive awaiting publication either in the journal Physics Education or the magazine Skeptical Inquirer, he said.
University of Maryland physics professor Bob Park, author of the book "Voodoo Science," said scientists have to keep telling the public what seems all-too-obvious.
"There are things that we need to point out that are crap," Park said.
It's gotten so bad, Park has a hard time watching movies these days. Not Efthimiou, who liked the horror movie "The Ring."
"I have nothing against movies," he said. "I have nothing against people who like them, as long as they don't mix reality with fiction."
And Halloween? Both physicists will suspend disbelief when vampires, ghosts and zombies come to their doors.
"I give them candy and I feign fright," Park said. "They enjoy it, what the hell. The problem is the ones that never get over it."
SOURCE
This person is making some bold statements. What are your thoughts?
Gigan
Full Version: Figment of your imagination?
How does applying current knowledge of the world on something undiscovered and not even understood make any sense?
I don't know what ghosts are, but I do believe they exist. Just because we don't know something, does not mean it's automatically invalid.
They're acting like some believers now.. Believers fill in the blank when we don't understand something. IE: How the universe came about. They say God did it. Well, we don't understand ghosts, so scientists try to fill in the blank and assume it's all in our heads.
I don't know what ghosts are, but I do believe they exist. Just because we don't know something, does not mean it's automatically invalid.
They're acting like some believers now.. Believers fill in the blank when we don't understand something. IE: How the universe came about. They say God did it. Well, we don't understand ghosts, so scientists try to fill in the blank and assume it's all in our heads.
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Oct 28 2006, 01:25 AM) 
How does applying current knowledge of the world on something undiscovered and not even understood make any sense?
I don't know what ghosts are, but I do believe they exist. Just because we don't know something, does not mean it's automatically invalid.
They're acting like some believers now.. Believers fill in the blank when we don't understand something. IE: How the universe came about. They say God did it. Well, we don't understand ghosts, so scientists try to fill in the blank and assume it's all in our heads.
I don't know what ghosts are, but I do believe they exist. Just because we don't know something, does not mean it's automatically invalid.
They're acting like some believers now.. Believers fill in the blank when we don't understand something. IE: How the universe came about. They say God did it. Well, we don't understand ghosts, so scientists try to fill in the blank and assume it's all in our heads.
thats actually why I posted this, as I found it to be a little controversial in the statements that were being made. It certainly does'nt do too much for the science field to have someone being so matter of fact about the subject (when they are usually the ones shooting evidence of the paranormal down before anyone else). I would like to see their 'proof'. Reconstruct a ghost in controlled conditions and prove their point, as they obviously know what a ghost is made up from....
Hey guys, but atleast he's right about vampires, I dont believe they exist, I dont believe in Witches either, do you?
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Oct 29 2006, 11:35 PM)
Hey guys, but atleast he's right about vampires, I dont believe they exist, I dont believe in Witches either, do you?
depends on what you look at as a witch. There is the 'real' type, or the scapegoat kind created by certain religions based on more than slightly ignorant viewpoints.
Vampires, well, vampires in the literal sense of Dracula or Lestat, no. But then you have psychic vampires too.
psychic vampires? you mean the people that are just crazy about sucking blood? I think that's sick! 
No Glam, psychic vampires are people who might be quite 'hands on' or 'touchy feely' when in your company... this has been theorised as people who drain your energy rather then your blood as a way of feeding. You often feel drained after being around them... its a theory 
yes, being around somebody's bratty children drains me of energy and courtesy!!! HAHA 
those little life suckers!
those little life suckers!
That is the PERFECT example chrisfer... I hate bratty children... lord knows they know how to drain your energy!
QUOTE(Gigan @ Oct 27 2006, 09:18 AM)
WASHINGTON - It may be the season for vampires, ghosts and zombies. Just remember, they're not real, warns physicist Costas Efthimiou. Obviously, you might say. But Efthimiou, a professor at the University of Central Florida, points to surveys that show American gullibility for the supernatural.
Using science and math, Efthimiou explains why it is ghosts can't walk among us while also gliding through walls, like Patrick Swayze in the movie "Ghost." That violates Newton's law of action and reaction. If ghosts walk, their feet apply force to the floor, but if they go through walls they are without substance, the professor says.
"So which is it? Are ghosts material or material-less?" he asks.
Zombies and vampires fare even worse under Efthimiou's skeptical microscope.
Efthimiou looked at the most prominent child-turned-zombie case that zombie aficionados cite: the 1989 case of a Haitian 17-year-old who was declared dead and then rose from the grave a day after the funeral and was considered a zombie. The boy, who never died but was paralyzed and could not communicate, had been poisoned with toxins from a relative of the deadly Japanese pufferfish, later research showed.
Efthimiou takes out the calculator to prove that if a vampire sucked one person's blood each month — turning each victim into an equally hungry vampire — after a couple of years there would be no people left, just vampires. He started his calculations with just one vampire and 537 million humans on Jan. 1, 1600 and shows that the human population would be down to zero by July 1602.
Take that Casper, Dracula and creepy friends.
All this may seem obvious, but to Efthimiou and other scientists, the public often isn't as skeptical as you might think. Efthimiou points to National Science Foundation reports showing widespread belief in pseudosciences — such as vampires, astrology and ESP.
More than 1 in 3 Americans believe houses can be haunted, a 2005 Gallup poll showed. More than 20 percent of Americans believe in witches and that people can communicate with the dead. TV shows such as "Medium" and "Ghost Whisperer" are popular.
"We're talking about a large fraction of the public that believes in subjects that scientists believe are out of the question," said Efthimiou. His paper is in an archive awaiting publication either in the journal Physics Education or the magazine Skeptical Inquirer, he said.
University of Maryland physics professor Bob Park, author of the book "Voodoo Science," said scientists have to keep telling the public what seems all-too-obvious.
"There are things that we need to point out that are crap," Park said.
It's gotten so bad, Park has a hard time watching movies these days. Not Efthimiou, who liked the horror movie "The Ring."
"I have nothing against movies," he said. "I have nothing against people who like them, as long as they don't mix reality with fiction."
And Halloween? Both physicists will suspend disbelief when vampires, ghosts and zombies come to their doors.
"I give them candy and I feign fright," Park said. "They enjoy it, what the hell. The problem is the ones that never get over it."
SOURCE
This person is making some bold statements. What are your thoughts?
Gigan
Using science and math, Efthimiou explains why it is ghosts can't walk among us while also gliding through walls, like Patrick Swayze in the movie "Ghost." That violates Newton's law of action and reaction. If ghosts walk, their feet apply force to the floor, but if they go through walls they are without substance, the professor says.
"So which is it? Are ghosts material or material-less?" he asks.
Zombies and vampires fare even worse under Efthimiou's skeptical microscope.
Efthimiou looked at the most prominent child-turned-zombie case that zombie aficionados cite: the 1989 case of a Haitian 17-year-old who was declared dead and then rose from the grave a day after the funeral and was considered a zombie. The boy, who never died but was paralyzed and could not communicate, had been poisoned with toxins from a relative of the deadly Japanese pufferfish, later research showed.
Efthimiou takes out the calculator to prove that if a vampire sucked one person's blood each month — turning each victim into an equally hungry vampire — after a couple of years there would be no people left, just vampires. He started his calculations with just one vampire and 537 million humans on Jan. 1, 1600 and shows that the human population would be down to zero by July 1602.
Take that Casper, Dracula and creepy friends.
All this may seem obvious, but to Efthimiou and other scientists, the public often isn't as skeptical as you might think. Efthimiou points to National Science Foundation reports showing widespread belief in pseudosciences — such as vampires, astrology and ESP.
More than 1 in 3 Americans believe houses can be haunted, a 2005 Gallup poll showed. More than 20 percent of Americans believe in witches and that people can communicate with the dead. TV shows such as "Medium" and "Ghost Whisperer" are popular.
"We're talking about a large fraction of the public that believes in subjects that scientists believe are out of the question," said Efthimiou. His paper is in an archive awaiting publication either in the journal Physics Education or the magazine Skeptical Inquirer, he said.
University of Maryland physics professor Bob Park, author of the book "Voodoo Science," said scientists have to keep telling the public what seems all-too-obvious.
"There are things that we need to point out that are crap," Park said.
It's gotten so bad, Park has a hard time watching movies these days. Not Efthimiou, who liked the horror movie "The Ring."
"I have nothing against movies," he said. "I have nothing against people who like them, as long as they don't mix reality with fiction."
And Halloween? Both physicists will suspend disbelief when vampires, ghosts and zombies come to their doors.
"I give them candy and I feign fright," Park said. "They enjoy it, what the hell. The problem is the ones that never get over it."
SOURCE
This person is making some bold statements. What are your thoughts?
Gigan
The things he is writing is pure nonsense, but there are many Clueless Scientists writing articles like this and this makes it even harder for we who know the truth to get anyone to believe us.
One day when this man passes away he will suddenly find that his spirit with all its intelligence and memories good and bad travel upward to the Spirit World and he will then wish he had believed because at that point in time he will want to communicate through psychic Channells and tell the world how wrong he was to believe as he does while he is here on Earth.
I ahve been channelling for Spirit for more than 20 years now and many other Psychics do the same but getting others to believe these things is not an easy task.
QUOTE(Chase @ Nov 21 2006, 11:46 PM)
No Glam, psychic vampires are people who might be quite 'hands on' or 'touchy feely' when in your company... this has been theorised as people who drain your energy rather then your blood as a way of feeding. You often feel drained after being around them... its a theory
thanks a lot chase, I would've never known that someone can suck your energy by just standing near you >.<
@Glam,.....you've obviously never been married! 
Let's march vaguely back through history for a moment.
5,000 years ago Greeks thought that the stars were camp fires in the spiritual heavens.
500 years ago scientists believed that the universe orbited the Earth.
102 years ago Einstein turned the scientific community upside down with the theory of relativity.
Today scientists are constantly revising their theories on the nature of matter and energy. Terms like "chaos theory", "string theory", and "spooky physics" (that's right) are beginning to lean toward an entirely new understanding of the universe. What will the next 1,000 years of research bring us?
I think that any scientist that asserts any concept as conclusively absolute is displaying an unbridled arrogance.
Let's march vaguely back through history for a moment.
5,000 years ago Greeks thought that the stars were camp fires in the spiritual heavens.
500 years ago scientists believed that the universe orbited the Earth.
102 years ago Einstein turned the scientific community upside down with the theory of relativity.
Today scientists are constantly revising their theories on the nature of matter and energy. Terms like "chaos theory", "string theory", and "spooky physics" (that's right) are beginning to lean toward an entirely new understanding of the universe. What will the next 1,000 years of research bring us?
I think that any scientist that asserts any concept as conclusively absolute is displaying an unbridled arrogance.
QUOTE(Rosemary @ Mar 25 2007, 04:27 PM)
The things he is writing is pure nonsense, but there are many Clueless Scientists writing articles like this and this makes it even harder for we who know the truth to get anyone to believe us.
One day when this man passes away he will suddenly find that his spirit with all its intelligence and memories good and bad travel upward to the Spirit World and he will then wish he had believed because at that point in time he will want to communicate through psychic Channells and tell the world how wrong he was to believe as he does while he is here on Earth.
I ahve been channelling for Spirit for more than 20 years now and many other Psychics do the same but getting others to believe these things is not an easy task.
One day when this man passes away he will suddenly find that his spirit with all its intelligence and memories good and bad travel upward to the Spirit World and he will then wish he had believed because at that point in time he will want to communicate through psychic Channells and tell the world how wrong he was to believe as he does while he is here on Earth.
I ahve been channelling for Spirit for more than 20 years now and many other Psychics do the same but getting others to believe these things is not an easy task.
But in retrospect, we have someone from the scientific community who is trying to put forward theories and is also giving estimates on the effect on the population with a bunch of 'what ifs' like 'what if vampires where real'. I think he is more trying to say that if these things were real, this is how it could spiral out of control and we would be up to our noses in blood-sucking undead. We try and explain the unexplainable with what scientific or probable laws we already know, how else are we supposed to do it? Its only a theory that EMF meters react to a supernatural presence, who's to say its not reacting to something else?
I personally have a hard time believing in heaven/hell/spirit worlds etc, and think that ghosts and apparitions are recordings, not concious 'souls', whos to say I am wrong? who's to say I am right?
To play devils advocate, you say that you are one of the people who know the 'truth', well what have you done in the way of solid physical proof to bring this claim to fruition? Its easy to say that what someone says is nonsense, but be prepared for those people to stand up and say, 'prove otherwise'.
Gigan
QUOTE(fl_buck666 @ Mar 28 2007, 01:36 PM)
@Glam,.....you've obviously never been married!
Let's march vaguely back through history for a moment.
5,000 years ago Greeks thought that the stars were camp fires in the spiritual heavens.
500 years ago scientists believed that the universe orbited the Earth.
102 years ago Einstein turned the scientific community upside down with the theory of relativity.
Today scientists are constantly revising their theories on the nature of matter and energy. Terms like "chaos theory", "string theory", and "spooky physics" (that's right) are beginning to lean toward an entirely new understanding of the universe. What will the next 1,000 years of research bring us?
I think that any scientist that asserts any concept as conclusively absolute is displaying an unbridled arrogance.
Let's march vaguely back through history for a moment.
5,000 years ago Greeks thought that the stars were camp fires in the spiritual heavens.
500 years ago scientists believed that the universe orbited the Earth.
102 years ago Einstein turned the scientific community upside down with the theory of relativity.
Today scientists are constantly revising their theories on the nature of matter and energy. Terms like "chaos theory", "string theory", and "spooky physics" (that's right) are beginning to lean toward an entirely new understanding of the universe. What will the next 1,000 years of research bring us?
I think that any scientist that asserts any concept as conclusively absolute is displaying an unbridled arrogance.
Hi FL, welcome to GM!
correct me if I am wrong, but the only line really that could be considered as absolute would be:
There are things that we need to point out that are crap
This thread reminds me of the various arguments between the beliver and Skeptic....its as they say, for the beliver, a little evidence is enough, and for the skeptic no evidence is ever enough.
#An interesting FACT . Some snearing members of "The Skeptics Society" (a bunch of learned gentlemen who disbelive everything that is not measured or weighed by thier little slide rules, i'm guessing)were put to an unusual test,(normally its the other way round) And they were invited to sign a contract selling their souls to the devil. Intrestingly, they declined....
To deny the existance of a phenomena so vehemenantly just makes me suspicious .....may be its safer to not belive(or enquire) into the unexplained than risk thinking too hard over the next thing that goes bump in the night...
am i rambling?
#An interesting FACT . Some snearing members of "The Skeptics Society" (a bunch of learned gentlemen who disbelive everything that is not measured or weighed by thier little slide rules, i'm guessing)were put to an unusual test,(normally its the other way round) And they were invited to sign a contract selling their souls to the devil. Intrestingly, they declined....
To deny the existance of a phenomena so vehemenantly just makes me suspicious .....may be its safer to not belive(or enquire) into the unexplained than risk thinking too hard over the next thing that goes bump in the night...
am i rambling?
Not at all Fordo, a very valid point indeed.
I consider myself to be a skeptical believer. By that I mean I would like to believe in evidence of the paranormal, UFOs etc etc, but I just don't jump into any explanation. I like to exhaust the obvious facts before resorting to more esoteric ones. I myself have experienced some pretty weird phenomena but even with that in mind, I try and look at the whole picture, if that makes any sense? I think a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing for believers and non believers alike.
In regards to the skeptics not signing up their souls to the devil, that to me is more about the fear that is instilled within a lot of society from their upbringing as well as popular media on who/what the devil is and what its capable of, as well as what its associated with, which is essentially the evil, or darker side that is inherant within all of us. It's like those who have a fear of the dark, a primeval terror that has no real foundation. We associate the dark with evil, that there are boogeymen waiting to pounce or whatnot.
You can still be a believer and still want to have evidence brought forward, which I think where there lies the difference between blind belief and skeptical belief.
I consider myself to be a skeptical believer. By that I mean I would like to believe in evidence of the paranormal, UFOs etc etc, but I just don't jump into any explanation. I like to exhaust the obvious facts before resorting to more esoteric ones. I myself have experienced some pretty weird phenomena but even with that in mind, I try and look at the whole picture, if that makes any sense? I think a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing for believers and non believers alike.
In regards to the skeptics not signing up their souls to the devil, that to me is more about the fear that is instilled within a lot of society from their upbringing as well as popular media on who/what the devil is and what its capable of, as well as what its associated with, which is essentially the evil, or darker side that is inherant within all of us. It's like those who have a fear of the dark, a primeval terror that has no real foundation. We associate the dark with evil, that there are boogeymen waiting to pounce or whatnot.
You can still be a believer and still want to have evidence brought forward, which I think where there lies the difference between blind belief and skeptical belief.
very good point gigan, skeptical people are not always JUST skeptical, they KNOW stuff but they just refuse to believe, if not, thse guys would've "told their souls"
Thank you Mr Gigan Sir....you clearly elucidated my sentiments.
Personally, I find it amazing that there are so many people who seem to think along the lines of "if you are not for us, then you must be against us" whether they be skeptic OR beliver.
like yourself, I've experianced things that I'm told could not have happened, or couldnt exist,but i've never made any claim as to actually understanding what it was .Thats the beauty of site like this on the 'net, where we can discuss experiance and share all the wierd bits, our belifes AND mock our self if nessesary,and more importantly, keep experiancing life! (Awww now I'm getting nice and philosophical....good excuse for a Beer....)
Personally, I find it amazing that there are so many people who seem to think along the lines of "if you are not for us, then you must be against us" whether they be skeptic OR beliver.
like yourself, I've experianced things that I'm told could not have happened, or couldnt exist,but i've never made any claim as to actually understanding what it was .Thats the beauty of site like this on the 'net, where we can discuss experiance and share all the wierd bits, our belifes AND mock our self if nessesary,and more importantly, keep experiancing life! (Awww now I'm getting nice and philosophical....good excuse for a Beer....)
I really don't know how to show physical evidence of the Spirits who appear to me but I communicate with them on a daily basis and some are good helpful ones and some aren't.
One helpful one for Example appeared to me last night and falshed me a picture of a Bag of boneless Chicken and said I should go today and buy some for the Freezer and thats what I did and he went along with me to remind me which bag of chicken he had shown me.
He doesn't just hang around the Earthplane with nothing better to do he has become my personal Guide and he does things like this to cause me to write about it and hopefully try to encourage people to believe that one day when they pass over their Spirit will live on in the After Life.
And no they don't like to be called Ghosts and things like that but that is what many people call them and of course one day when we pass over those who don't know what to call them will of course call them ghosts and haunts.
They aren't just memories they are real intelligence and they can appear just as they did when they walked the Earth or they can appear as they looked in other lifetimes.
I think one of the things that people have a hard time in figuring out is where is the Spirit World and where is heaven or Hell and why can't the Space Crafts and the Hubble and other technology discover where they are?
I have conversations about these things with the Spirit Guides and all I know for sure is there are Many Spirits around me much of the time but there is a Dominant Power in the Universe who can whisk them in and out at will.
The four that I have been writing about as Possessing Spirits are afraid to come out and face him and to cover up their fear they hide and cause problems, and its the good angelic guides that keep me strong and its they that I want the World to believe are alive because one day thats where we will all go after our Sojourn here on Earth and they aren't just a recording they are very real, and they are the Spirits of men and women and others in the After Life and yes even our pets Spirits live on in the After Life.
And for all I Know some of them amy even reincarnate as animals in other Lifetimes, I'm not too sure of that at this time.
I'm still learning about these things and I continue to learn new things each and every day.
One helpful one for Example appeared to me last night and falshed me a picture of a Bag of boneless Chicken and said I should go today and buy some for the Freezer and thats what I did and he went along with me to remind me which bag of chicken he had shown me.
He doesn't just hang around the Earthplane with nothing better to do he has become my personal Guide and he does things like this to cause me to write about it and hopefully try to encourage people to believe that one day when they pass over their Spirit will live on in the After Life.
And no they don't like to be called Ghosts and things like that but that is what many people call them and of course one day when we pass over those who don't know what to call them will of course call them ghosts and haunts.
They aren't just memories they are real intelligence and they can appear just as they did when they walked the Earth or they can appear as they looked in other lifetimes.
I think one of the things that people have a hard time in figuring out is where is the Spirit World and where is heaven or Hell and why can't the Space Crafts and the Hubble and other technology discover where they are?
I have conversations about these things with the Spirit Guides and all I know for sure is there are Many Spirits around me much of the time but there is a Dominant Power in the Universe who can whisk them in and out at will.
The four that I have been writing about as Possessing Spirits are afraid to come out and face him and to cover up their fear they hide and cause problems, and its the good angelic guides that keep me strong and its they that I want the World to believe are alive because one day thats where we will all go after our Sojourn here on Earth and they aren't just a recording they are very real, and they are the Spirits of men and women and others in the After Life and yes even our pets Spirits live on in the After Life.
And for all I Know some of them amy even reincarnate as animals in other Lifetimes, I'm not too sure of that at this time.
I'm still learning about these things and I continue to learn new things each and every day.
rosemary ,rosemary....what type of boneless chicken?
QUOTE(Fordo @ Mar 31 2007, 02:41 AM)
rosemary ,rosemary....what type of boneless chicken?
LOL fordo, how many types of boneless chickens are there?
I dont know, thats why i'm asking.
maybe it was a POSSESSED boneless chicken!
maybe it was a POSSESSED boneless chicken!
QUOTE(Fordo @ Apr 1 2007, 12:47 PM)
I dont know, thats why i'm asking.
maybe it was a POSSESSED boneless chicken!
maybe it was a POSSESSED boneless chicken!
lol, I guess rosemary's "wild" adventures will never stop amusing us
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Apr 2 2007, 10:01 PM)
lol, I guess rosemary's "wild" adventures will never stop amusing us
I guess some of you will never accept the truth anymore than others I have tried to tell my experiences to and perhaps others just don't have the gift I and a few others have like Psychic Edgar Cayce who was known as 'The Sleeping Clairvoint'
Perhaps God and his communicators do just talk through a chosen few and we should stick to some of the people who are also gifted and together we can continue to try to teach others the truth but perhaps some of them will never believe until one day they reach the after life and suddenly see that what we more knowledgeable have tried to tell them is true then where will they be sitting up in the Spirit world scratching their deleted and asking now that I am dead and with no body how am I ever going to get anyone to believe or turn their computer on for me.
Edgar Cayce ....hmmm now theres an interesting little man.....
maybe...
but then again, there are a lot of "clairvoyant" caracters running around today, and the whole spiritualist movement peaked a good , oh, let me guess...90 years ago? this would make an interesting thread of its own... mediums...table turning...ectoplasm....bad three piece suits....cute table lamps...anyone?
maybe...
but then again, there are a lot of "clairvoyant" caracters running around today, and the whole spiritualist movement peaked a good , oh, let me guess...90 years ago? this would make an interesting thread of its own... mediums...table turning...ectoplasm....bad three piece suits....cute table lamps...anyone?
I think you have a good idea there Fordo, start up a new thread, always good to have something new to sink our teeth into 
QUOTE(Fordo @ Apr 4 2007, 10:58 AM)
Edgar Cayce ....hmmm now theres an interesting little man.....
maybe...
but then again, there are a lot of "clairvoyant" caracters running around today, and the whole spiritualist movement peaked a good , oh, let me guess...90 years ago? this would make an interesting thread of its own... mediums...table turning...ectoplasm....bad three piece suits....cute table lamps...anyone?
maybe...
but then again, there are a lot of "clairvoyant" caracters running around today, and the whole spiritualist movement peaked a good , oh, let me guess...90 years ago? this would make an interesting thread of its own... mediums...table turning...ectoplasm....bad three piece suits....cute table lamps...anyone?
who do you think it was when edgar cayce answered questions for people? specially super complicated questions such as how to cure certain illnesses and stuff ? could it have been a spirit or just him using his brain at the fullest or what ?
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Apr 5 2007, 03:07 AM)
who do you think it was when edgar cayce answered questions for people? specially super complicated questions such as how to cure certain illnesses and stuff ? could it have been a spirit or just him using his brain at the fullest or what ?
Edgar was working with his Spirit Guides much as I have been doing.
I have a source in the Spirit World who has given the world a lot on Disease through me and I could do a lot more if my three relatives and Dr. P. weren't interferring
Dr. Petas seems to be jealous as a Medical Man because I without any medical background whatsoever have passed on much good information about diseases and I feel a lot has come out of the information I have passed on to many places where research is being done.
So you see I haven't just been doing nothing but fight with these four, I have gathered a lot of good information and struggled to get it to the right people in spite of these four causing trouble.
Some of the Information I have gathered is spectacular and this is one of the reasons these four have tried to stop me from meditating and gathering more.
But they are getting away with it and although a Guide claims to have the Power to stop them the fact is they have interferred with our to work that he is the one who has really been stopped and I am sorry that that is true but the truth is the truth.
Should he come in now and prove he has power over them I will correct what I am writing but I believe the truth here is the most important thing.
QUOTE(Rosemary @ Apr 6 2007, 08:35 PM)
Edgar was working with his Spirit Guides much as I have been doing.
I have a source in the Spirit World who has given the world a lot on Disease through me and I could do a lot more if my three relatives and Dr. P. weren't interferring
Dr. Petas seems to be jealous as a Medical Man because I without any medical background whatsoever have passed on much good information about diseases and I feel a lot has come out of the information I have passed on to many places where research is being done.
So you see I haven't just been doing nothing but fight with these four, I have gathered a lot of good information and struggled to get it to the right people in spite of these four causing trouble.
Some of the Information I have gathered is spectacular and this is one of the reasons these four have tried to stop me from meditating and gathering more.
But they are getting away with it and although a Guide claims to have the Power to stop them the fact is they have interferred with our to work that he is the one who has really been stopped and I am sorry that that is true but the truth is the truth.
Should he come in now and prove he has power over them I will correct what I am writing but I believe the truth here is the most important thing.
I have a source in the Spirit World who has given the world a lot on Disease through me and I could do a lot more if my three relatives and Dr. P. weren't interferring
Dr. Petas seems to be jealous as a Medical Man because I without any medical background whatsoever have passed on much good information about diseases and I feel a lot has come out of the information I have passed on to many places where research is being done.
So you see I haven't just been doing nothing but fight with these four, I have gathered a lot of good information and struggled to get it to the right people in spite of these four causing trouble.
Some of the Information I have gathered is spectacular and this is one of the reasons these four have tried to stop me from meditating and gathering more.
But they are getting away with it and although a Guide claims to have the Power to stop them the fact is they have interferred with our to work that he is the one who has really been stopped and I am sorry that that is true but the truth is the truth.
Should he come in now and prove he has power over them I will correct what I am writing but I believe the truth here is the most important thing.
Hm, hadn't I asked you if, oh forget it let me ask you again, internet's been bugging me, well rosemary, I'd like to know if before we were born, we CHOSE to live, or were we forced to live, or did we not exist at all?
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Apr 8 2007, 02:21 AM)
Hm, hadn't I asked you if, oh forget it let me ask you again, internet's been bugging me, well rosemary, I'd like to know if before we were born, we CHOSE to live, or were we forced to live, or did we not exist at all?
I don't have the answer to that and I don't know for sure about Reincarnation or at what point we become a Human as far as what comes first the Chicken or the Egg.
I of course know there is Creation and I know as we march through generations we change and beome a more refined human through better medical research and ways of producing food and vitamin supplements and all sorts of things.
I know many people believe in Reincarnation and I know the Guides have shown me lifetimes back in History where they tell me this is my prior lifetimes and I have no way of disputing it but now that someone has told me they have the power to destroy Evil Spirits and they haven't proven this to be true at this point in time I am just taking it one day at a time and see what transpires from day to day and write about whatever comes to me in this sitaution.
I know the source that gives me this information has taken me back in time and taken me through history from before the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and I could see Lee Harvey Oswald sitting in front of the window with a rifle waiting for the Motorcade to come past and I was told who plotted the Assassination and why.
I was also taken back in time and shown the Kidnapping of Former Teamster Jimmy Hoffa and shown all the details of how he was kidnapped right up until the moment he was stripped down to his underwear and shot and buried by a group of men.
And so those are the things I know and Believe to be true.
The Source who gives me this information tells me he is the Keeper of the Soul Record and he shows me things about people from the moment they are born until the day they die but as far as what happened before they were actually produced as a baby I have to take his word for it just as I do everything he tells me because he says he is God and the Master of the Universe.
Now if you are going to ask me why the Kennedy and Hoffa Assassination Stories haven't been published in a book, I will tell you that is because every Manuscript I have ever sent out anywhere to book publishers or tabloids or wherever have all disappeared without a t race and that is because the Mobsters in control have taken them and there is no way for me to tell my Stories except in a Journal or on these webpages and its because of the things I know that no one will ever see me in the Public Eye as a Psychic Channell because to do so would put my life in danger.
Now you have another reason why my three relatives and Dr. P. who was a member of the Mafia when he walked the Earth are doing this to me they are trying to force me out into the Public Eye so someone can stop me and if that happens then they will feel like Winners.
So the only thing I can do is try to Expose Dr. P. and hope he comes out of my body before someone seeks retaliation against him through someone else he might just still love on Earth.
I of course would be sad if that happened but right now the four spirits inside my body doing these diabolical things to my brain and heart are a life threatening force to me and I must strive to remove them from my body through any means necessary.
I believe at this time its a matter of survival.
QUOTE(Rosemary @ Apr 8 2007, 09:05 AM)
I don't have the answer to that and I don't know for sure about Reincarnation or at what point we become a Human as far as what comes first the Chicken or the Egg.
I of course know there is Creation and I know as we march through generations we change and beome a more refined human through better medical research and ways of producing food and vitamin supplements and all sorts of things.
I know many people believe in Reincarnation and I know the Guides have shown me lifetimes back in History where they tell me this is my prior lifetimes and I have no way of disputing it but now that someone has told me they have the power to destroy Evil Spirits and they haven't proven this to be true at this point in time I am just taking it one day at a time and see what transpires from day to day and write about whatever comes to me in this sitaution.
I know the source that gives me this information has taken me back in time and taken me through history from before the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and I could see Lee Harvey Oswald sitting in front of the window with a rifle waiting for the Motorcade to come past and I was told who plotted the Assassination and why.
I was also taken back in time and shown the Kidnapping of Former Teamster Jimmy Hoffa and shown all the details of how he was kidnapped right up until the moment he was stripped down to his underwear and shot and buried by a group of men.
And so those are the things I know and Believe to be true.
The Source who gives me this information tells me he is the Keeper of the Soul Record and he shows me things about people from the moment they are born until the day they die but as far as what happened before they were actually produced as a baby I have to take his word for it just as I do everything he tells me because he says he is God and the Master of the Universe.
Now if you are going to ask me why the Kennedy and Hoffa Assassination Stories haven't been published in a book, I will tell you that is because every Manuscript I have ever sent out anywhere to book publishers or tabloids or wherever have all disappeared without a t race and that is because the Mobsters in control have taken them and there is no way for me to tell my Stories except in a Journal or on these webpages and its because of the things I know that no one will ever see me in the Public Eye as a Psychic Channell because to do so would put my life in danger.
Now you have another reason why my three relatives and Dr. P. who was a member of the Mafia when he walked the Earth are doing this to me they are trying to force me out into the Public Eye so someone can stop me and if that happens then they will feel like Winners.
So the only thing I can do is try to Expose Dr. P. and hope he comes out of my body before someone seeks retaliation against him through someone else he might just still love on Earth.
I of course would be sad if that happened but right now the four spirits inside my body doing these diabolical things to my brain and heart are a life threatening force to me and I must strive to remove them from my body through any means necessary.
I believe at this time its a matter of survival.
I of course know there is Creation and I know as we march through generations we change and beome a more refined human through better medical research and ways of producing food and vitamin supplements and all sorts of things.
I know many people believe in Reincarnation and I know the Guides have shown me lifetimes back in History where they tell me this is my prior lifetimes and I have no way of disputing it but now that someone has told me they have the power to destroy Evil Spirits and they haven't proven this to be true at this point in time I am just taking it one day at a time and see what transpires from day to day and write about whatever comes to me in this sitaution.
I know the source that gives me this information has taken me back in time and taken me through history from before the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy and I could see Lee Harvey Oswald sitting in front of the window with a rifle waiting for the Motorcade to come past and I was told who plotted the Assassination and why.
I was also taken back in time and shown the Kidnapping of Former Teamster Jimmy Hoffa and shown all the details of how he was kidnapped right up until the moment he was stripped down to his underwear and shot and buried by a group of men.
And so those are the things I know and Believe to be true.
The Source who gives me this information tells me he is the Keeper of the Soul Record and he shows me things about people from the moment they are born until the day they die but as far as what happened before they were actually produced as a baby I have to take his word for it just as I do everything he tells me because he says he is God and the Master of the Universe.
Now if you are going to ask me why the Kennedy and Hoffa Assassination Stories haven't been published in a book, I will tell you that is because every Manuscript I have ever sent out anywhere to book publishers or tabloids or wherever have all disappeared without a t race and that is because the Mobsters in control have taken them and there is no way for me to tell my Stories except in a Journal or on these webpages and its because of the things I know that no one will ever see me in the Public Eye as a Psychic Channell because to do so would put my life in danger.
Now you have another reason why my three relatives and Dr. P. who was a member of the Mafia when he walked the Earth are doing this to me they are trying to force me out into the Public Eye so someone can stop me and if that happens then they will feel like Winners.
So the only thing I can do is try to Expose Dr. P. and hope he comes out of my body before someone seeks retaliation against him through someone else he might just still love on Earth.
I of course would be sad if that happened but right now the four spirits inside my body doing these diabolical things to my brain and heart are a life threatening force to me and I must strive to remove them from my body through any means necessary.
I believe at this time its a matter of survival.
Thanks for your opinion rosemary
QUOTE(Fordo @ Mar 29 2007, 06:11 AM)
This thread reminds me of the various arguments between the beliver and Skeptic....its as they say, for the beliver, a little evidence is enough, and for the skeptic no evidence is ever enough.
#An interesting FACT . Some snearing members of "The Skeptics Society" (a bunch of learned gentlemen who disbelive everything that is not measured or weighed by thier little slide rules, i'm guessing)were put to an unusual test,(normally its the other way round) And they were invited to sign a contract selling their souls to the devil. Intrestingly, they declined....
To deny the existance of a phenomena so vehemenantly just makes me suspicious .....may be its safer to not belive(or enquire) into the unexplained than risk thinking too hard over the next thing that goes bump in the night...
am i rambling?
#An interesting FACT . Some snearing members of "The Skeptics Society" (a bunch of learned gentlemen who disbelive everything that is not measured or weighed by thier little slide rules, i'm guessing)were put to an unusual test,(normally its the other way round) And they were invited to sign a contract selling their souls to the devil. Intrestingly, they declined....
To deny the existance of a phenomena so vehemenantly just makes me suspicious .....may be its safer to not belive(or enquire) into the unexplained than risk thinking too hard over the next thing that goes bump in the night...
am i rambling?
Alright, that is an interesting little twist.
They were given the chance to sign a contract selling their souls to the devil, they turned it down.
Now does this mean that they do not believe in the devil and therefore have no need of signing a contract or is it that these gentlemen do not believe that they have souls that could be sold?
Or... they are just little chickens hiding behind dusty text books and soon-to-be defunct scientific theories.
As one other poster stated, the scientific theories are constantly having to be be revised because new data is always being gathered overnight.
Everything that used to be true in science has be proven wrong, its a cycle, you start off with one train of thought and are constantly moved into another.
Somethings are out there whether science, or humans for hat matter, believe in them or not.
Well put Aliamaru... We just don't know enough...
I hate the arrogance of science... if it can't be proved it isn't real... thats like a few hundred years ago saying the world was flat... just because we couldn't prove it wasn't... The whole thing is ridiculous
I hate the arrogance of science... if it can't be proved it isn't real... thats like a few hundred years ago saying the world was flat... just because we couldn't prove it wasn't... The whole thing is ridiculous
I like to have a basis in scientific truth, but yes, the arrogance is overwhelming. Considering there are oceans and forests on the very planet we live on that are still untouched by civilisation and its 'science', it really shouldn't be so cocky. Discoveries are being made all the time, so maybe the field of science should break down those ivory towers and listen a little more
QUOTE(Gigan @ May 10 2007, 01:33 PM)
I like to have a basis in scientific truth, but yes, the arrogance is overwhelming. Considering there are oceans and forests on the very planet we live on that are still untouched by civilisation and its 'science', it really shouldn't be so cocky. Discoveries are being made all the time, so maybe the field of science should break down those ivory towers and listen a little more
yeah gigan, listen more, but listen to who? lol
To the geniune, sincere people who have devoted their life to the study of parapsychology etc
Here Here Gigan...
QUOTE(Gigan @ May 10 2007, 06:03 PM)
To the geniune, sincere people who have devoted their life to the study of parapsychology etc
lol, wouldn't those be scientists too?
Yesterday I came upon a Website about a Psychiatrist who had patients that he believed to be Possessed by the Spirits of the dead and he investigated them through Therapy and finally did Exorcisms on them.
As time went on he became more involved in these things and has written books and collaborated with other experts in the field.
I am hoping his work will inspire other Psychiatrists and Therapists to take a closer look at these things and try to help these people instead of just labeling them Dillussional, and or Crazy.
Anyone Interested in reading about his work.
His Name is Ralph B. Allison M.D. and his work is quite extensive.
I believe in the Years ahead as more and more people like him check these things out through their patients that the Idea of Possession will be something that will not be thought of as strange at all.
When he first began checking these things out he was connected to a Hospital and didn't ask permission to do the Exorcisms and when he began to try to tell others about his work they shunned him, but since he believed in what he was doing he didn't let their rejection of he and his work stop him but continued and is now doing great work along these lines and I am hopeful in the future more Scientists and Medical Minds will keep an open mind where this subject is concerned.
As time went on he became more involved in these things and has written books and collaborated with other experts in the field.
I am hoping his work will inspire other Psychiatrists and Therapists to take a closer look at these things and try to help these people instead of just labeling them Dillussional, and or Crazy.
Anyone Interested in reading about his work.
His Name is Ralph B. Allison M.D. and his work is quite extensive.
I believe in the Years ahead as more and more people like him check these things out through their patients that the Idea of Possession will be something that will not be thought of as strange at all.
When he first began checking these things out he was connected to a Hospital and didn't ask permission to do the Exorcisms and when he began to try to tell others about his work they shunned him, but since he believed in what he was doing he didn't let their rejection of he and his work stop him but continued and is now doing great work along these lines and I am hopeful in the future more Scientists and Medical Minds will keep an open mind where this subject is concerned.
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Mar 31 2007, 01:41 PM)
LOL fordo, how many types of boneless chickens are there?
This post isn't about buying boneless chicken.
And its not about clipping coupons with the Guides and going to the Store they have scouted to find bargains so they can return and tell me what they found so they can save me trips to various stores, this is just to tell the World that Spirits are alive in the Spirit World and can do these kinds of things so I will write about it and hopefully cause others to believe that Spirits are around us and can help us if they choose to and if we are open to their help.
For examples at times I don't look at the sales flyers but on the last date of the Sale, I will say, where is milk on Sale and one of them will take me right to the store.
If I lose my car in the parking lot I will say Oh No where is my Car and within minutes they will walk me to the Car.
Again this is just to tell the World they are Alive.
Another thing we are saying is when they were here on Earth people like President John F. Kennedy couldn't just go to an Ordinary Mall or Grocery Store without a Body Guard but now he and I can go to the Grocery Store all the time just like ordinary people and no one even knows he is with me.
I am not here to be a Name Dropper but to say one of the Reasons Old Dr. P. is sitting inside my body as an Evil Spirit along with my three Relatives is he is jealous of JFK as a Guide and is trying to drive him away so we can't work on the Kennedy Book in peace.
I must say that Dr. P. and his three cronies have done a good job of interferring but he has also hurt himself in the long run, because since he climbed into my body back in l986 and vowed to do everything in his power to prevent me from ever publishing the kennedy Manuscript two of his family members have died and he is now too frightened to get out of my body because he is afraid of what a Higher Power will do in the way of punishing he and my Relatives for what they have done.
At this point in time we have no concrete proof that anything anywhere in the Universe can Punish Him but since a Guide has threatened to destroy them at some point in time they are too terrified to leave my body and to cover up their fear they grow more violent hoping the pain and suffering will cause me to keep writing about them and of course that is what is happening but as I write about him he is also making a fool out of himself not only to the World but to his family who watch him from the Higher realms of the Spirit World.
Back in the eighties when I called his wife and asked her to help me talk him out of here she said he's my problem now and its up to me to deal with him and she angered him by saying he is a liar and an Old fool and so these are some of the things that have turned him into an Evil Spirit.
I am hoping now she regrets what she said about him and now comes and gets him and takes him with her and gets him away from my mean realtives.
So whats the beef that Dr P has with JFK?
and was there a conspiracy surrounding his death? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? What was the deal with Marilyn Monroe?
and was there a conspiracy surrounding his death? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? What was the deal with Marilyn Monroe?
QUOTE(Gigan @ May 11 2007, 09:29 AM)
So whats the beef that Dr P has with JFK?
and was there a conspiracy surrounding his death? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? What was the deal with Marilyn Monroe?
and was there a conspiracy surrounding his death? Was there a second gunman on the grassy knoll? What was the deal with Marilyn Monroe?
First off Dr. Petas was a Republican and JFK was a Democrat.
But this goes beyond that Dr. P and my three relatives claim that they met me first at the Church and that I should be obligated to work with them and not the Guides who appeared later.
Marilyn Monroe she was killed because she threatened Political Careers.
I am not too concerned about the grassy knoll myself what I was interested in is who masterminded the Murder of John F. Kennedy and I learned that from the Spirit World and that is why all my Manuscripts have disappeared.
I have told the Story all over the Internet and in many other places and now the Guides have said until I solve this other problem with Dr. P. I should not tell that Story again but try tio calm Dr. P. and my Relatives down and instead stick to trying to negotiate them out of my body and this situation.
One of the Reasons Dr. P. and my Relatives are trying to force me to get help to get rid of them is because somany people who knew the details about the kennedy Assassination have been Killed and they hoped that could happen to me if I went public and that is their primary motive for what they re doing to me.
So you are an advocate of Ms Monroe being murdered, and not her commiting suicide? It was well known that she was outspoken on quite a few political issues (one of which was the Cuba crisis, wasn't it?) but I was looking for a piece of information that was not common knowledge. were Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby pawns in a bigger power struggle, or was it more like an unusual coincidental set of circumstances? 
QUOTE(Gigan @ May 11 2007, 02:39 PM)
So you are an advocate of Ms Monroe being murdered, and not her commiting suicide? It was well known that she was outspoken on quite a few political issues (one of which was the Cuba crisis, wasn't it?) but I was looking for a piece of information that was not common knowledge. were Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby pawns in a bigger power struggle, or was it more like an unusual coincidental set of circumstances?
Yes Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby were part of it all and after Lee Harvey Oswald shot the President it was Jack Ruby's job to kill him so he couldn't talk.
Oswald was Coerced into carrying out the Assassination and Pressure was put on him by the Justice Deprtment to do this if he didn't want to be deported along with his Russian Wife.
The thing is when the Mafia decides to get rid of someone a plan is put into operation and even the ones who don't want to participate are forced to participate if they know what is good for them and it becomes a kill or be killed operation.
Some of the Dallas Police were involved and some of the Secret Service men on the Kennedy staff and also on that of Lyndon Johnson were part of the Assassination team and some in the CIA, Justice Department and some corrupt members of the FBI were involved and that is why security was so Lax that day in Dallas it was all preplanned and it went off without a hitch.
After the President Died some of his own group had the body whisked off from Dallas and taken to the Hospital and all of this was a Part of the Cover Up Plan.
Going back in time Marilyn Monroe was a threat to the Kennedy Political Machine and this is why she had to be silenced and there were ways to set this up and make it look like a Suicide and then it was covered up by those who know how to carry out these things.
That is just a sketchy description of the things mailed out in Manuscripts that have all disappeared over the years and as you can see my being able to get all this information from the Spirit World from the Akaskic Records and from people who were part of all this situation was a shock to those on Earth when I began sending this out.
Now one of the Reasons that Dr. P. and my Realtives have done the Spirit Possession thing to me is to try to force me out becuse of my having this information and I suppose they have made it a game to see if they have the power to force me out to look for an Exorcist to see what could happen to me.
Many people who know what I know have been killed over the Years and of course I don't want to ever tangle with the Mob who are left and or their decendants who may never want the story to be heard by and believed by the Average Person.
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ May 11 2007, 05:08 AM)
lol, wouldn't those be scientists too?
erm clearly....
QUOTE(Chase @ May 13 2007, 04:56 AM)
erm clearly....
thought so, hehe
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ May 13 2007, 02:33 AM)
thought so, hehe
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QUOTE(Rosemary @ May 13 2007, 12:24 PM)
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read previous posts for better understanding.
well said glammy
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