As a fellow ghost hunter and seeker of truth one of the most common questions that I get asked from fellow investigators and from skeptics is : Can a ghost or spirit physically hurt me and how do I protect myself from this negative activity? And the other question can be summed up as : Do you think that ghosts and evil spirits or demons are the same? I've been in places where the energy was so intense because of the Haunt that I dropped to my knees and began to dry heave. I've also heard stories from valid sources that they have witnessed people getting pushed against walls. I personally don't think that demons and spirits are the same, but I do believe that if you have some doubt or fear that the spirit will interact with you. The Haunt that I encountered was a bad person and his lifestyle and personallity transfered to his spiritual energy. I'm very interested to hear what everybody has to say.

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In terms of physical contact, it can happen. Ive been patted on the head, had a hand (?) on my shoulder/back area, had my hair pulled, been poked, and had my gear bag pulled out of my hand and tossed on the floor 2 feet away.

My guess is actual harm is infrequent ( maybe even rare)-- its more like they want to get your attention if that makes sense. Not actually hurt you, just 'Im here, listen to me' type of thing.

There was one room I had gone into once tho, that I got 'pukey/chokey' as well; I just left the room and rested until I was ready to try it again.

In my experience as a Paranormal Investigator, spirits and/or demons are quite capable of harming the living. Your best defense, (in my opinion) is faith in a higher power.

Spirits & demons, (in my opinion) are not one in the same. Spirits or, “ghosts” were once human whereas demons are of a supernatural origin. Although spirits can unintentionally be a bit aggressive with regards to capturing our attention, I don’t believe the majority wish us any harm. Demons (on the other hand) are the adversaries of mankind and are extremely dangerous.

Here are links to my experience and this is my reality as I have lived through this and the spirits who are featured in these stories are the spirits of those I knew when they walked the Earth.
http://www.trueghostales.com/stories/four-spirits.php

http://www.trueghostales.com/stories/rosem...nces-demons.php
This is all absolutely true and you did ask for our experiences and I believe its important to Paranormal Research that each of us pass on any experience that we have personally experienced.

i totally agree with laura here in my opinion they can but mainly those of a very nasty character ..as i have said before if you die a very evil person ..you wont exactly change just because you have died.

Regarding physical contact, since there have been innumerable reports of physical disturbances associated with hauntings ranging from raps on the wall, items being thrown, taps being turned etc. then it seems likely that a human can also be physically interacted with. I've heard cases of people being pushed down stairs, touched, slapped, scratched and other incidents of spontaneous injury attributed to the presence of an entity, however such cases appear to be quite rare and there isn't necessarily any indication that such 'attacks' are intended to hurt anyone.

The spirits I have written about and have posted on various websites are here with the Intent to hurt me and they have done such violent attacks that they have all but wiped out my ability to work as a Psychic Channel as I did in the past and to date no higher power in the Universe has proven he can bring them out.

In all fairness will say an exorcist has not been found and the Guide who claims to have the ability to predict all sorts of things like earthquakes and the like has said to try to destroy them while they re inside my body could end up with my death much like happened to Audrey Rose and so I am now trying to talk them out of my body and tell them to bring the fight outside so they can if they choose challenge a higher power to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can destroy a spirit as he says and if they are too frightened to do that then they should come out and walk away and never return and thats where it stands now with them refusing to leave my body and in an effort to cover up their fear they continue with their violent attacks against me.

My only defense it seems is to keep writing about them on as many websites as I can hoping to shame them into coming out but so far that hasn't happened.

My Efforts to engage demonologist Bob Larson has not materialized although they had me fill out a questionaire and they promised to get back to me but it appears now that he is making movies and a movie star in England at last report that seems unlikely that he will attempt this exorcism but if things should change in the future and he actually proves he is a provable exorcist then I will let everyone know.

I would like to prove scientifically what will really happen if an Exorcist attempts to remove them from my body.

I want to know if it really works?

Because of peoples religious beliefs its very hard for people to accept the fact the four spirits I am dealing with are the spirits of my realtives and a man I knew when they walked the Earth and they say they are here to prove most of the things said about these things aren't true and I tell them if they are out to prove whether a spirit can control them outside my body they need to stop hiding and forget about all the threats the Guides have made against them and come out and take them on one on one and force them to prove they have control over them.

This will be very good for Paranormal Research purposes.

Religion and ghosts have nothing to do with each other nor does one depend on the other. People believe in what they believe in and therefore that is their reality but not necessarily everyone elses. If I ghost hunt with someone religous, they may pray before they go in to a place. thats fine with me, I'm happy they find comfort in whatever they pray to. I dont pray and I come out at the end of the night just as safe and clean as the other person. Doesnt matter if you pray or not in my opinion but this isn't the topic, sorry. just giving my opinion since it seems to have become part of the thread

Ghosts can interact with the living by touching, yes. Obviously not a physical touch but energy manipulation. I've been touched several times on ghost hunts. I've never been hurt but I have had feelings of dread, like I was being threatened but nothing ever came of it.

the worst I've ever seen as far as someone being "hurt" by a ghost was a few scratch makes on one of my team members arms...not enough to draw blood or anything...just 4 red scratch marks. What was really cool about it was it was cold and she was wearing a blue jean jacket at the time, sleeves down.

Thank you, GI, dont think it coulda been said better

I'v never really "Ghost Hunted" before..
except where me and my Cousin adventured a couple of times when i was in my late teens,
But...i have felt presences or something before in various locations.

I have felt what seemed like a poke or a Hand on my shoulder...or even a pat on the head,
while just sitting watching tv or being on the computer like i am now.

Could be simply involuntary human functions...nerve twitches or whatever,
depending on the circumstances at the time it may be noticed..or simply overlooked because of actions at that time...?

But the question "Can a Ghost Hurt"..I would think so..
If the "Ghost" or entity has enough energy/power to make that kind of contact.
< excluding the awareness/sensitivity off the person having the experience>

I am hunter to, for a very long time now and I can say from very personal experiance They can hurt you and they will,it depends on how much energy they manifest to their strength,Demons are not spirits they have never lived remember they are fallen angels and they want to destroy man any way they can ,We were given a soul and freewill by God they were not.
check out my myspace site there are some of the best people in the business on the friends list you can study a lot of different cases...

http://www.myspace.com/ghostmd

Could you please give an example, if you're willing to share, about how you were hurt by ghosts?

As I respond to you I mean only to help by sharing my own experiences.

The spirits that I am having trouble with whom have declared themselves satan's followers in the beginning to frighten me are the Spirits of three of my Dead Realtives still very much alive in the Spirit World and Dr. P. who was a Psyhiatrist when he walked the earth in this lifetime and they say they declared themselves as such and have taken over my body to prove a point and they say they will never leave my body until the Guides who claim to have power over them prove it by forcing them out of my body.

It was l986 when they climbed into my body and began brutally attacking me from inside.

They have turned my life upside down and I have tried to find exorcists and Deliverance Ministers to help and all refused, and I have told this story many times all over the internet and to newspapers and magazines and even tabloids but because of the things humans believe its very hard to get anyone to believe me or help and so these four may be sitting inside my body on the day I die and at that point in time I have no idea what will happen to them all I know is one Guide who claims to have control over them keeps telling me its too dangerous to destroy them while they are inside my body and as a result they are now too frightened to leave my body and to cover up their fear they attack me more and more brutally each day trying to force me to say nothing will ever happen to punish them but of course we won't have the answer to that unless they leave my body and I see where they go and what they do to other humans and then I can write about it as Paranormal Research.

I know this story is frightening and most people who want to believe Psychic Work is exciting and magical don't want to face what just might be the truth about the after life.

Make no mistake about it any person who dies has the freedom to come back and seek vengance against humans if they have unfinished business here on earth.

The four spirits I have problems with, three of my realtives and Dr.P. who was a psychiatrist when he walked the earth are quite clear in their intentions and their actions against me when they say they will kill me if they can and bring me to the spirit world to see how I like it.

Dr. P as a psychiatrist also is having quite a bit of fun in bragging that no one will ever believe me and says he has proof of this, because as we know I have told this story for years on the internet, and he says when he was in practice and people came to him with stories like mine he told their relativives they were dillusional and he said thats what he believed before he died and learned that he had been wrong.

He said no he is going to be as mean and vicious as he can with the help of my three relatives and I can keep telling the story hoping I find a way to force them out of my body.

They are also out to prove one way or another whether a higher power can force them from my body and while a Guide on a Higher Realm says he has the power to destroy them at some point in time he also says he can't do it while theya re still inside my body because to do so might force my spirit from this body and if that happens our work will be over so he says he must either try to talk them out and let them see how far they can go and see what the consequences are for their actions or they have to accept his threat and come out in fear and get out of my home and let us work in peace otherwise they will one day be desroyed if they are inside this body when it dies and they have no place to hide.

I have written stories about this situation and posted it on as many websites as I can and I have posted to newspapers all over the internet when I find a story about things like this and no one comments or responds.

I have put their names into the copy hoping their realtives will read about them and help me find an Exorcist, or the stories would humiliate these spirits and force them to leave my body.

Last Sunday I took a lot of the stories to my Spiritual Church where this all began and left the Published Stories there for others to read and now when I go back tochurch i can see what their reaction will be.

Nothing has worked so far and few people believe but I think as time goes on and more and more people delve into the paranormal they too will have experiences and the proof will eventually come.

Quite often people will say to me after I have told them my story, just what do they do to you?

The day in the Life of a possessed person goes something like this.

They argue and talk dirty and they attack my brain and sometimes its the base of my brain and sometimes its the top of my brain which not only causes me excruciating pain it causes me to lose strength and become so tired and sleepy that I have to take to my bed.

Once I give in and go to bed to get rest they will stop attacking my brain and suddenly I am no longer sleepy but I am filled with energy and I am out of the bed and buzzing around the Kitchen or yard doing a lot of manual labor.

When they grow tired of that they go back to attacking.

They try to cause me to have wrecks as I drive and if the other Guides were not here to threaten them and help me keep control I might have been killed in an accident long ago.

Over the past 20 years I have had several bone breaking falls and surgeries which laid me up for a period of time and all the time I am suffering and in surgery they are taunting, cursing me and telling me all sorts of discouraging things trying to break me down.

The only thing that saves my situation is somewhere higher up is a Guide who can look into the future and the past and make all sorts of prophecies which come true and he has showed them into the future where they finally leave my body after it dies and they are immideately destroy so they cant hurt others but after what I have been through I'll believe that when I see it.

I am now trying to get these four to admit their fear of this guide and once they admit that they can leave my body and think about this for a time, and if they still want to challenge him and force him to prove he can actually physically destroy another spirit then they should do that and I will see what happens and write about it.

They should not continue to let him threaten them unless he has proof to back up what he says.

Why would they try to kill you or make you have a car wreck? It seems to me they are quite happy using your body Rosemary, after all they have been there 20 years right?

Surely if they wanted to kill you they would have, or with the protection of this guide they have to admit now that they cannot do that. Or are we to understand they can cause you to lose physical strength, extreme pain but nothing worse. If this "guide" can keep them away why doesn't he/she?

Rosemary...I really think you need professional help in dealing with what is going on in your head.

Your posts are the same over and over and over and over and rarely on topic and almost always in replies to new members and not so much to the people who have been here a while.

Please Rosemary...seek professional help in dealing with your demons.

I don't need a doctor I need an exorcist but that is impossible since people like you keep talking like this to someone who is trying to share in response to the person who began this thread.

If I could only get these four to leave my body and come over and show you what its like and not to be threatening but to just have them convince you that these things are real.

People who are teaching those just getting started about the paranormal who give them polyanna stories like you and some others do does not prepare them for the darker side of delving in the paranormal.

You and others like you are the reason progress is not being made in the investigating of the paranormal, and trying to make everyone on the other side of death either angels or demons is not realistic.

The guides who claimed to have the power to destroy them and have kept them trapped in my body with the fear of death all these years without actually doing or being able to do it are not helping at all and I think others should be warned about Guides who give people a song and dance about what power they have and prove nothing are the ones who need to be taken out behind the smoke house and given a good whaling.

And believe me the Bible is not helping to educate anyone as to the things I have learned from spirit communication.

One of the reasons my relatives have done this and tried to destroy the work the Guides were doing through me is beacuse one of them keeps saying he can destroy them and has written the same thing through others and has not proven anything so far.

I must be invisible again?

I dont share "dark side" stories as i havnet experienced anything like you in my 14+ years of active paranormal investigations and a life long interest in it (I'm 43, so we'll say 35 years conservatively of being aware of ghosts) and having grown up in a haunted house.

Neither do you prepare anyone for the darker side Rosemary. All you do is tell the same stories over and over and over with little variation in what appears to be a pitiful attempt at seeking attention to me. You change up your stories or narrative a bit to suit the topic but otherwise it's the same dribble. You contradict yourself all the time...I'm wasting my time, you wont understand just like I wont ever understand you.

I didnt say you need a doctor...I said you need "help"...."Professional help". that could be an exorcism, doctor, blessing...whatever you may feel best suits your need, and there is a need.

You will be happy to know I read a news story this morning which says the Vatican has said its alright for Catholics to believe in Alien Life.

They appear to be taking a more scientific approach and have declared that believing this way does not rule out our belief in God and a Creator.

To me it means that we are going to accept life after death acknowledges that our relatives live beyond Earth and soon we may actually accept that Demons may be the Spirits of our angry relatives and others who are back to tell people they are alive and sometimes they still have issues with those still here on the Earth Plane.

People who have been brutally murdered and some who haven't may still see people here on earth that they want to come after to right old scores and just because you have not experienced it does not mean its not true.

Perhaps the people you have made contact with are nice spirits and that is great but don't you think others who are going out there to beat the bush to smoke out life after death needs to know and share all the experiences with everyone and keep an open mind?

I am here to try to figure out how to solve a problem like I have and at this point in time all I have is a threat against them from a man who says he is the master of the Universe but so far all it is, is a threat and I am waiting for him to prove he has control over these four and if he doesn't I want to know how a priest will deal with them if I ever find one, and or can he actually drive them out, scientifically speaking.

This is about research and proof not some polliania thoughts that have been out there but some real proof that there is a power up there who can solve the problem otherwise its only threats and lip service.

You are not invisible and if you read all of my posts, I am trying to answer your questions and others.

I believe anyone who delves in the paranormal should not go into it as an innocent the way I did, and end up with a situation like I have.

When I first began to do this I had only what others had written to go on and as a baptist taught girl I expect that a big powerful God was up there that I could pray to and no harm would come to me.

Then when I began to deal with not only my realtives but the Guides they all told me what they wanted to and my realtives said most of the things I had been told were not true and they set out to tell me their side of the story and the Guides had another version.

Now I sit here with three of my realtives holding down the fort so to speak with the aid of Dr. P. who was a Psychiatrist when he walked the earth and they say they are going to make liars out of the Guides who have said they have the power to destroy them when they leave my body if they don't come under their control.

My problem now is my three relatives and Dr. P. say no one in the universe can destroy them yet they are afraid to come out and prove this and to cover up their fear they get meaner and more brutal towards me each day.

Scientifically speaking how does one who has my problem solve it?

If I could find one, could a priest or deliverance minister actually conduct some sort of a ritual which would bring them out of my body?

At this point in time I believe the Guide who claims to have the power to destroy them should now have to prove it, but his way of dealing with the situation is to say its too danerous to me to attempt to destroy them and he must now either talk them out or wait until they crawl out of my dead body.

I am at this time telling these four they have no proof one way or the other that anyone can destroy them but we also can't prove that he can't so my solution to them is they need to leave my body quietly without giving in and once outside my body they can decide how far they want to go with others to prove their point.

I have said once out they can decide if they want to force his hand and if they do they can start by going to visit our relatives who don't believe this is happening to me and see how far they want to go.

Do they want to see if they know they are in their homes, do they want to come into their dreams and see if they can detect them or do they want to go further, and do whatever they feel safe in doing to make believers out of them and we will call this research and in search of the truth and I will continue to write to tell the world what we believe we have proven.

I am now a trail blazer in search of the truth and I must tell the world how this all plays out.

To me all this says is that less and less people are buying their stories of hell and brimstone, and are trying their hardest to keep hold of the sheep they already have. With man exploring the stars, its only a matter of time before we realize that.



...and likewise, just becuse you have allegedly experienced it does not make it necessarily true either Rosemary. Time and time again, people on this board, and the myriad of others that you frequent have asked you for proof. I am not on about personal experiences, as they are exactly that, personal. Show us some cold hard evidence, then you'll probably get people actually taking time out to listen to what you have to say. There are so many threads and replies on here (and elsewhere) where you are repeating the same thing almost word perfect. Do you see why people may get a little dispondent?



They are trying to keep an open mind Rosemary, they are just done with reading pages and pages of the same thing over and over.



If this is the case, why is he 'hiding' in you? see, this is what I don't get, if he is so powerful, why is he allegedly doing things the way he is? And a priest 'scientifically' driving out the spirits? can anyone else see the contradiction in that sentence, or was I reading it wrong?



Yes it is, and so far, we have been presented with none.

Rosemary, either you believe in the bible and religion or you dont. quit vasilating between the two different view points and make up your mind if you can and then stick to that story and make your arguments.

I personally dont care what the vatican says and I"m neither happy nor unhappy what they have to say as I dont give a rats @$$ about religion personally as it's a man made concept to deal with the fear of death, in my opinion, to comfort one when they're faced with their own mortality. Your delusions of grandeur and self thought greather than thou attitude and statements mean NOTHING to me. I'm just tired of your same "evidence" over and over and over, especially as you always aim your comments (or mostly aim them) at the new members here because us "old" folks (not ALL of us but alot of us) dont pay much attention to you.

Try FREE THINKING and come up with your OWN ideas on what is real and what is not. Dont blame Dr P and the spirits for stuff. Give statements about what YOU believe and then give examples of why you believe that. We're tired...let me rephrase that....I am tired of (i wont speak for everyone else) of hearing about Dr. P and the spirits in your head and the battles you've fought for 24 years (which by now should have been won I would think.....but what do I know).

If you dont want to free think or try to talk about anything else other than what you always post about (Doctor P and the other spirits that are trying to kill you) then we're done. we'll never see eye to eye.

You've had these issues for 20-something years....you need help.

Ok, here goes... at the risk of seeming a little harsh (not my intention), Rosemary's words are getting a little monotonous (sp)and overplayed; people who have real questions and need current advice etc, seem to get drowned out by off-topic text. Its not fair to new users who have questions they need help with to be overwritten or drowned out by repetition that really doesnt pertain to their queries.

True and good point however she always sends posts off topic with her monotonous posts and I'm tired of it. It's my opinion (and no offense intended to the mods here in any way shape or form) that she should have been banned a long time ago but she's permitted to stay and keep up with the same old same old for whatever reason.

Everyone wants to ignore it and let her be but I dont and I dont want the newbies, the ones she pays most attention to and the ones that pay most attention to her, to be significantly influenced by her repetitive nonsensical postings.

I'm done, I've said enough and maybe too much, but someone had to

Fully agreed, here.

No, you're both right, and fair in your words. It is not my place or within my capability to ban someone, and only the worst perpetrators actually get canned.

At the beginning of this thread, Rosemary actually did the noble thing and just posted a comment with links to her web pages chronicling her affliction. This is fine, but I do not want to see pages and pages of the same thing regurgitated over and over, this actually constitutes as spamming and we all know how much I hate that.

I thought about locking this thread, but I believe that there could be some very useful information added to the discussion, so I will leave it open. I will, however, give it a first and final warning, that if I see more of whats already been posted on these 2 pages, it gets locked down. Rosemary, maybe you could have a link in your signature that links to your story and you can reference people to that instead of keep posting the same information over and over. Not only will that save the eyes of the readers on here, but it will also let people decide for themselves if they want to read about your accounts.

Gigan

Rosemary I think i've discussed this with you before, private message coming your way.

Apologies to all, lets get back to the original topic.

Sorry Gigan, sorry Saru. Sorry to the OP (original poster) of this thread for derailing it

Back on topic

I've had a few encounters with spirits that want to tug on my hair.

They've always been gentle about and I never felt that I had anything to fear.

Right. It's just a "Pay attention to me" type of thing.

What about some of the rumoured violent ghosts? Why would they want to hurt people they dont/didnt have any business with?

Can you be more specific?

You could be talking about poltergeist activity in which a person may be hurt by a physical object affected by some kind of spirit energy but I dont think that is the main point of the question. i think they're asking about a ghost directly, by "himself" hurting someone.

But aren't poltergeists considered a sub category of ghosts? I mean the word itself means angry ghost.

Therefore if any interaction (scratching, throwing stuff etc) with the physical is classed as poltergeist activity then is this the same as a "ghost" hurting you?

But if a poltergeist is NOT the same as a ghost then by definition a "ghost" can't hurt you... only a poltergeist can!

And before you say it... yes i am playing semantics!

There are lots of ideas on what a poltergeist is as well as what a ghost is.

Poltergeist is german for Noisy Spirit, yes, but other than similar words, thats about where it ends.

I wont bog down the thread with a derailed definition but below is a link which talks in great detail about ghosts and poltergeists written by Pat Fitzhugh, expert and author about The Bell Witch.

DEFINITIONS AND DISCUSSIONS

I guess the OP needs to be more specific with the question

Thanks very much for the link. Its always good to have a definition handy.

But for the sake of continuing on with the thread shall we say the real question is can a spirit use its energy to hurt someone living.

Just throwing my own two cents in on this topic... i do believe that spirit energies can touch or interact with us on a very limitted level so what is there to say that they can't hurt us? If your in the pyschical and you can hold someones hand you can equally smack them around the head, its entirely the persons perogative. Why should be loose our ability to make decisions over how we act after we're dead?

i believe they can harm....i have been what felt like slapped across the face..this was in a very bad situation and was not what i would call a very nice entity....there have in my experience been a few things happen to me...where i could have been hurt quite badly...so in my opinion i do believe they have the capabilities..it is just very rare..fee x

If they can gather enough energy to move objects, why wouldn't they be able to cause humans harm?



Or, in the case of an intelligent haunting, our personality for that matter. I think it's a question of choice rather than ability.

Well if a "poltergeist" can throw stuff around then I think a ghost is perfectly capable of harming someone... never experienced anything like this though...
And I hope not to

There are very few cases recorded in which someone was seriously harmed, or killed as the result of a poltergiest. The Bell Witch could be cited here, but I think that was more a coverup story for murder, by a very real person. Poltergeists are more of a nuisance than anything, like a kid who's not getting enough attention.

To date the only known death caused ( supposedly ) by a ghost was the Bell Witch. And since ghosts haven't actually been proven to exist, that documentation is clearly not concrete.

but the ghost "herself" didnt hurt/kill John Bell. Per the story, he was poisoned.

I read The Bell Witch by Pat Fitzhugh and exchanged some emails w/him. Interesting guy to say the least...but I digress....sorry...

if the bell witch hurt anyone, it was one of his daughters, but I cant recall her name.

Knocks GI down to go find her book. BRB

Sorry bout' that. Pulls GI's kilt back down off his head. Okay, here we go...

On the morning of December 20, 1820, after a long battle with a crippling nervous system disorder, John Bell took his last breath. Immediately after Bell’s death, the family found a small vial of unidentified liquid beside his bed. John Bell, Jr. gave some of the liquid to the family’s cat and the cat died almost instantly. The "Spirit" suddenly spoke up exclaiming, "I gave Ol' Jack a big dose of that last night and that fixed him!" John Bell’s funeral was one of the largest ever seen in Robertson County, hundreds of people attended; including the gloating Spirit, who cheerfully offered mourners a concert of brawny drinking songs.

So who's to say the ghost didn't poison him? OOOOoooooooooooo AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!! Boo!
BTW the daughters name was Betsy.

Sounds like they had a good time... bbbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooo back!!

thats what i'm saying...the ghost didnt physically hurt him. "she" used poison.

i guess it's in how we define the question by the OP. is the "ability of a ghst to hurt someone" including extraneous means or did he mean physically, directly without "assistance" of some kind. i took the question to mean directly, 1 on 1.

Betsy, yes, thank you

leave my kilt out of this

Reaches over and SMACKS GI in back of head.
Then peppersprays him.

Okay, so technically I only physically hurt you with the smack? ::: runs :::

it didnt hurt silly girl