It saddens me to see the direction the paranormal field has taken. Somehow, compassion has been lost & the dead have become a greater priority than the living. Many paranormal investigators are too blinded by their own personal quest to see what’s right in front of them, the people involved who are suffering. Families are driven apart, others are forced to give up everything they own just to get away, (which isn’t guaranteed) & some are driven to suicide because they perceive death as their only means of escape. Often, investigations cause the phenomena to worsen & those directly involved are left to pick up the pieces of what used to be their life.
The current mind-set needs to change. Some investigators can’t grasp the magnitude of a negative haunting due to inexperience & that’s understandable. However if we merely gather evidence without attempting to help those who suffer, we contribute to the problem & are no better than the tormentor itself.
Full Version: It's time for change
You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?
Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?
Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.
As exciting as the prospect of life after death is, I would have to agree with Laura.
People have become too wrapped up in discovering and gathering evidence of ghosts/spirits, that the living have been left by the wayside.
If a location is truly haunted, its the people who are living in that location who should be a priority, they are the ones who endure the happenings on a daily/nightly basis, not the paranormal investigators.
More should be done and taken into consideration for the people who live in haunted locations, an after-care program should be implemented to ensure the physical/mental/emotional wellbeing of these individuals.
Any good ideas, because not all methods are accepted by all people, you'd have t find something that the people would be comfortable with.
People have become too wrapped up in discovering and gathering evidence of ghosts/spirits, that the living have been left by the wayside.
If a location is truly haunted, its the people who are living in that location who should be a priority, they are the ones who endure the happenings on a daily/nightly basis, not the paranormal investigators.
More should be done and taken into consideration for the people who live in haunted locations, an after-care program should be implemented to ensure the physical/mental/emotional wellbeing of these individuals.
Any good ideas, because not all methods are accepted by all people, you'd have t find something that the people would be comfortable with.
The group I belong to gathers scientific evidence however they do not cleanse houses, (it is something I do independently). To be perfectly honest with you I don’t cleanse houses. In my opinion, God cleanses them & I am merely an instrument. Phenomena of a demonic origin will require immediate intervention by the clergy.
Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.
Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.
QUOTE (SammyTerry @ Dec 8 2007, 03:37 PM) 
You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?
Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?
Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.
I agree with the points made too. But I think that a big reason why the living are ignored over the dead is that many people still need to convince themselves on the existence of ghosts. More effort is put into investigating them and trying to make people believe in their existence. Caring about what effects they leave on people comes afterwards....not saying how it should be, just saying how it is right now.
The welfare of the living shouldn't come as an afterthought.
QUOTE (SUPERKICK @ Dec 9 2007, 12:22 PM)
But I think that a big reason why the living are ignored over the dead is that many people still need to convince themselves on the existence of ghosts. More effort is put into investigating them and trying to make people believe in their existence. Caring about what effects they leave on people comes afterwards.
Yup thats what I was saying, it shouldnt be that way but unfortunately it is.
QUOTE (Laura @ Dec 9 2007, 05:48 AM)
The group I belong to gathers scientific evidence however they do not cleanse houses, (it is something I do independently). To be perfectly honest with you I don’t cleanse houses. In my opinion, God cleanses them & I am merely an instrument. Phenomena of a demonic origin will require immediate intervention by the clergy.
Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.
Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.
Wow,
well said laura, God only use us and you as instuments to help him support the world.How do you clean houses by the way?
I don't really agree that too many people just focus on the dead, But they rather get too psycho about it and forget the reason why stuff are happening with them.
Perhaps not everything is hauntings, but spirits that try to give the living messages!
My post refers to negative hauntings, not messages from spirits. Each haunting varies & I’d rather not divulge the techniques used, (for the same reason exorcism rites are kept secretive). If they were utilized by someone inexperienced in the wrong place at the wrong time, it could cause more harm than good.
QUOTE (little dreamer** @ Dec 10 2007, 05:22 AM)
Wow, well said laura, God only use us and you as instuments to help him support the world.
How do you clean houses by the way?
I don't really agree that too many people just focus on the dead, But they rather get too psycho about it and forget the reason why stuff are happening with them.
Perhaps not everything is hauntings, but spirits that try to give the living messages!
well said laura, God only use us and you as instuments to help him support the world.How do you clean houses by the way?
I don't really agree that too many people just focus on the dead, But they rather get too psycho about it and forget the reason why stuff are happening with them.
Perhaps not everything is hauntings, but spirits that try to give the living messages!
Laura, may I know a case in which you saw an inexperienced investigator suicide because of inexperience towards a negative haunting? I find that interesting.
I was referring to those who have lived in haunted locations & committed suicide, not paranormal investigators.
QUOTE (Zeus @ Dec 11 2007, 09:23 AM)
Laura, may I know a case in which you saw an inexperienced investigator suicide because of inexperience towards a negative haunting? I find that interesting.
oh ok lol
QUOTE (SammyTerry @ Dec 8 2007, 02:37 PM)
You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
.
I think (to a degree, a small one at that) the paranormal investigator has to have a little bit of a 'guidance councellor' aspect to them anyway. In my opinion, an investigator turning up to a place and telling the client they are there to 'take care of the problem' is the worst thing you can do, period. Sure, you are there to try and investigate alleged hauntings, but the primary concern should be to comfort the client, but most importantly to LISTEN to them and offer them support and guidance. You would be suprised how much it can help a client just knowing that there are those people out there that are on their side and are willing to help. All you can really do is be a sympathetic ear and try and help them to understand what is going on. This, though, is where I think the line needs to be drawn. If there is reason to believe that the problem is not paranormal, and may be psychological, medical or otherwise then that needs to be dealt with by someone in the appropriate field.
My 2 cents.
Well said "G"...
I would imagine one would be hard pressed to actually find some kind of counceling in they have been traumatized by a haunting,
thats where a paranormal team should be able to offer some kind of support.
Confirming a place IS haunted would do little to help a family if they have been living in fear.
Perhaps some Investigative teams have a Human resources person to help with such things..?
I would imagine one would be hard pressed to actually find some kind of counceling in they have been traumatized by a haunting,
thats where a paranormal team should be able to offer some kind of support.
Confirming a place IS haunted would do little to help a family if they have been living in fear.
Perhaps some Investigative teams have a Human resources person to help with such things..?
just curious, i was wondering about the driven to suicide bit.....i havent read of any actuall cases of this..
would someone care to give an example?
would someone care to give an example?
How does one determine what is going on if they have little experience with possessions and the like?
How does one determine whether I have four Spirits sitting inside my body tearing violently day and night at my brain and entrals and crawling in and out of my body at will if no one can see them or hear them?
I suppose the investigators could bring a medium and talk to them and verify this if they were brave enough but I have yet to contact a Paranormal Invesigative Group who was willing to do this, usually they just respond and say they don't know how to deal with situations like this.
For example the possessing spirits are growing meaner and more vicious each and every day and now the Guides who were here have just about stopped appearing and in the beginning they were here writing and giving all sorts of information, including telling these four they will die if they are inside my body when I die, but who is going to be here on the computer to prove that.
No I think perhpas there is no one in the Universe who can actually force spirits from a human body and if that is true then I am asking myself could there be others who are having my problem?
I think my only solution now is to tell Paranormal Investigators they may be safe if they meet only friendly ghosts, but if they meet up with benovalent spirits like my three realtives and Dr. Petas they could have them stiting inside their body abusing them until the day they die and no one will ever believe their story.
The only satisfaction I have now is I have put Dr. Petas name out here for the whole world to point a finger at and his wife and son are somewhere in the Universe watching his behaviour and he is now trapped and troo scared to come out and confront the Guide who claims to have the power to destroy him if he doesn't repent and go in peace.
Since Dr. Petas is sitting right here as I write I would ask him how do you wish to address this challenge now?
Do you wish to bring your friends and climb out of my body or do you wish to continue to make an ass out of yourself in front of your wife and son who are watching your antics from a Higher Realm in the Spirit World?
You were right when you said no one on earth would believe, but now that your wife and son are in the Spirit World we both know they are watching you and so are you more afraid of God or your Wife?
Will Dr. Petas now leave my body and join his wife and son in the Spirit World or will he continue to make an Ass out of himself as he has been doing since he went to the Spirit World angry at his death.
I had nothing to do with that and he knows it and he needs to get over it.
Dr. Petas is now known as an Evil Demon.
How does one determine whether I have four Spirits sitting inside my body tearing violently day and night at my brain and entrals and crawling in and out of my body at will if no one can see them or hear them?
I suppose the investigators could bring a medium and talk to them and verify this if they were brave enough but I have yet to contact a Paranormal Invesigative Group who was willing to do this, usually they just respond and say they don't know how to deal with situations like this.
For example the possessing spirits are growing meaner and more vicious each and every day and now the Guides who were here have just about stopped appearing and in the beginning they were here writing and giving all sorts of information, including telling these four they will die if they are inside my body when I die, but who is going to be here on the computer to prove that.
No I think perhpas there is no one in the Universe who can actually force spirits from a human body and if that is true then I am asking myself could there be others who are having my problem?
I think my only solution now is to tell Paranormal Investigators they may be safe if they meet only friendly ghosts, but if they meet up with benovalent spirits like my three realtives and Dr. Petas they could have them stiting inside their body abusing them until the day they die and no one will ever believe their story.
The only satisfaction I have now is I have put Dr. Petas name out here for the whole world to point a finger at and his wife and son are somewhere in the Universe watching his behaviour and he is now trapped and troo scared to come out and confront the Guide who claims to have the power to destroy him if he doesn't repent and go in peace.
Since Dr. Petas is sitting right here as I write I would ask him how do you wish to address this challenge now?
Do you wish to bring your friends and climb out of my body or do you wish to continue to make an ass out of yourself in front of your wife and son who are watching your antics from a Higher Realm in the Spirit World?
You were right when you said no one on earth would believe, but now that your wife and son are in the Spirit World we both know they are watching you and so are you more afraid of God or your Wife?
Will Dr. Petas now leave my body and join his wife and son in the Spirit World or will he continue to make an Ass out of himself as he has been doing since he went to the Spirit World angry at his death.
I had nothing to do with that and he knows it and he needs to get over it.
Dr. Petas is now known as an Evil Demon.
QUOTE (Gigan @ Dec 11 2007, 10:31 PM)
I think (to a degree, a small one at that) the paranormal investigator has to have a little bit of a 'guidance councellor' aspect to them anyway. In my opinion, an investigator turning up to a place and telling the client they are there to 'take care of the problem' is the worst thing you can do, period. Sure, you are there to try and investigate alleged hauntings, but the primary concern should be to comfort the client, but most importantly to LISTEN to them and offer them support and guidance. You would be suprised how much it can help a client just knowing that there are those people out there that are on their side and are willing to help. All you can really do is be a sympathetic ear and try and help them to understand what is going on. This, though, is where I think the line needs to be drawn. If there is reason to believe that the problem is not paranormal, and may be psychological, medical or otherwise then that needs to be dealt with by someone in the appropriate field.
My 2 cents.
My 2 cents.
i agree with you that you have to have some form of guidance counciling background, i myself have done several courses in counciling and this is most deffinately needed when helping the living after and around what can be such a traumatic event, such as a haunting of any kind especially the violent type.
I also agree.
QUOTE (fantailmoon @ Dec 13 2007, 12:35 PM)
i agree with you that you have to have some form of guidance counciling background, i myself have done several courses in counciling and this is most deffinately needed when helping the living after and around what can be such a traumatic event, such as a haunting of any kind especially the violent type.
this thread and others along a similar vein of "Demonic entitys" have me needing to ask the question: how common is such things?
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..
could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..
could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..
Surely you cannot be referring to me my dear Fordo. I've been very specific in various threads regarding the dangers of ouija boards, demons, & the reason why I won't go into detail regarding cleansing techniques.
Demonic infestations are rare & it would be highly inappropriate for me to share the names of those involved considering they wish to remain anonymous. I cannot & will not betray their trust therefore I suggest using google or ask.com to satisfy your curiosity.
Perhaps it is a misunderstanding on my part but your comment seems to be slightly condescending. I certainly hope that isn’t the case because I’ve shown you the utmost respect.
Demonic infestations are rare & it would be highly inappropriate for me to share the names of those involved considering they wish to remain anonymous. I cannot & will not betray their trust therefore I suggest using google or ask.com to satisfy your curiosity.
Perhaps it is a misunderstanding on my part but your comment seems to be slightly condescending. I certainly hope that isn’t the case because I’ve shown you the utmost respect.
QUOTE (Fordo @ Dec 14 2007, 04:45 PM)
this thread and others along a similar vein of "Demonic entitys" have me needing to ask the question: how common is such things?
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..
could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..
could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..
i dont mean any disrespect,
condesending, no.
i'm sorry if my comments seem so, i have the unfortunate way of ticking people off, but i never mean so,
, i'm allways here to discuss, and listen, but i do unfortunatly have a certain turn of phrase,and love a
taste of humour..(it has been unfortunate on GM that some are so sensitive as to run away crying at the first hint of some one
dissagreeing or arguing with them,nothing burns my britches more than a weak lad or lassie..)
i guess the problem with discussion forums is the limited space and time.
but i reiterate:i would like to learn more, and as such, it would be worth while to find any documented
cases.
googling such things brings about pulp and astronet drivvle,for the most part.
but i digress, and still, as per my original post, would be intrested in any account of a suicide based
around a "haunting' or possesion or otherwise.`
and i dont wish to intrude apon anyones privacy, so what will be , will be.
if such cases are not for the public forum, then i cetainly hope i can find someone to share such encounters
with me, via pm or email, as i'm happy to provide that if someone is
willing to share...
*gives Laura a cat type headsnuggle*
condesending, no.
i'm sorry if my comments seem so, i have the unfortunate way of ticking people off, but i never mean so,
, i'm allways here to discuss, and listen, but i do unfortunatly have a certain turn of phrase,and love a
taste of humour..(it has been unfortunate on GM that some are so sensitive as to run away crying at the first hint of some one
dissagreeing or arguing with them,nothing burns my britches more than a weak lad or lassie..)
i guess the problem with discussion forums is the limited space and time.
but i reiterate:i would like to learn more, and as such, it would be worth while to find any documented
cases.
googling such things brings about pulp and astronet drivvle,for the most part.
but i digress, and still, as per my original post, would be intrested in any account of a suicide based
around a "haunting' or possesion or otherwise.`
and i dont wish to intrude apon anyones privacy, so what will be , will be.
if such cases are not for the public forum, then i cetainly hope i can find someone to share such encounters
with me, via pm or email, as i'm happy to provide that if someone is
willing to share...
*gives Laura a cat type headsnuggle*
There’s no need for apologies & I have been told I’m rather snuggable. 
I understand your curiosity therefore I’ll email you titles of a few, (non-fiction) books which document possession as well as haunting-related deaths.
I understand your curiosity therefore I’ll email you titles of a few, (non-fiction) books which document possession as well as haunting-related deaths. QUOTE (Fordo @ Dec 15 2007, 07:39 AM)
i dont mean any disrespect,
condesending, no.
i'm sorry if my comments seem so, i have the unfortunate way of ticking people off, but i never mean so,
, i'm allways here to discuss, and listen, but i do unfortunatly have a certain turn of phrase,and love a
taste of humour..(it has been unfortunate on GM that some are so sensitive as to run away crying at the first hint of some one
dissagreeing or arguing with them,nothing burns my britches more than a weak lad or lassie..)
i guess the problem with discussion forums is the limited space and time.
but i reiterate:i would like to learn more, and as such, it would be worth while to find any documented
cases.
googling such things brings about pulp and astronet drivvle,for the most part.
but i digress, and still, as per my original post, would be intrested in any account of a suicide based
around a "haunting' or possesion or otherwise.`
and i dont wish to intrude apon anyones privacy, so what will be , will be.
if such cases are not for the public forum, then i cetainly hope i can find someone to share such encounters
with me, via pm or email, as i'm happy to provide that if someone is
willing to share...
*gives Laura a cat type headsnuggle*
condesending, no.
i'm sorry if my comments seem so, i have the unfortunate way of ticking people off, but i never mean so,
, i'm allways here to discuss, and listen, but i do unfortunatly have a certain turn of phrase,and love a
taste of humour..(it has been unfortunate on GM that some are so sensitive as to run away crying at the first hint of some one
dissagreeing or arguing with them,nothing burns my britches more than a weak lad or lassie..)
i guess the problem with discussion forums is the limited space and time.
but i reiterate:i would like to learn more, and as such, it would be worth while to find any documented
cases.
googling such things brings about pulp and astronet drivvle,for the most part.
but i digress, and still, as per my original post, would be intrested in any account of a suicide based
around a "haunting' or possesion or otherwise.`
and i dont wish to intrude apon anyones privacy, so what will be , will be.
if such cases are not for the public forum, then i cetainly hope i can find someone to share such encounters
with me, via pm or email, as i'm happy to provide that if someone is
willing to share...
*gives Laura a cat type headsnuggle*
To Fordo:
And if you want a look at a possession up close, you need only to read the posts I have made, and believe because everything I have written about what is happening to me and has been happening since l986 the First Anniversary of the Death of Dr. Stergios Nicholas Petas from Toledo, Ohio is true.
That is the day that he and three of my realtives decided to climb into my body and brutalize me and continue to do so as theya re doing now or untikl a Higher poiwer proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can take control of them and force them from my body.
To Date that has not happened, and may never happen and so I must take each day at a time, and tell the world the truth as I have experienced it.
I don't want to put his name in the copy but believe it is now necessary as an effort to try to force him from my body.
I believe if he chooses to behave this way then all his realtives and friends on Earth should know this is how Dr. Petas has decided to behave in the Spirit World.
I believe if he were on Earth he and his friends would have been arrested for Attempted Murder and would have been ordered to stay away from me in a court of law but in the Spirit World that is not the way things are handled and now I am waiting until he and his three helpers leave my body to see how or and if they are dealt with by the Guides who claim to have the power to destroy them at some point in time.
Until that happens or if and when that Happens I will write about it and in the meantime I think others should know the truths I have discovered about the Spirit World so far.
Call this a play by play of a Possession and possible exorcism, and the absolute truth.
And if you want a look at a possession up close, you need only to read the posts I have made, and believe because everything I have written about what is happening to me and has been happening since l986 the First Anniversary of the Death of Dr. Stergios Nicholas Petas from Toledo, Ohio is true.
That is the day that he and three of my realtives decided to climb into my body and brutalize me and continue to do so as theya re doing now or untikl a Higher poiwer proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can take control of them and force them from my body.
To Date that has not happened, and may never happen and so I must take each day at a time, and tell the world the truth as I have experienced it.
I don't want to put his name in the copy but believe it is now necessary as an effort to try to force him from my body.
I believe if he chooses to behave this way then all his realtives and friends on Earth should know this is how Dr. Petas has decided to behave in the Spirit World.
I believe if he were on Earth he and his friends would have been arrested for Attempted Murder and would have been ordered to stay away from me in a court of law but in the Spirit World that is not the way things are handled and now I am waiting until he and his three helpers leave my body to see how or and if they are dealt with by the Guides who claim to have the power to destroy them at some point in time.
Until that happens or if and when that Happens I will write about it and in the meantime I think others should know the truths I have discovered about the Spirit World so far.
Call this a play by play of a Possession and possible exorcism, and the absolute truth.
Haunting-related deaths ? Laura could you send me the titles of those books ?
Yes, I will email them to you.
QUOTE (Polderheks @ Dec 16 2007, 04:37 PM)
Haunting-related deaths ? Laura could you send me the titles of those books ?
QUOTE (Rosemary @ Dec 16 2007, 06:37 PM)
To Fordo:
And if you want a look at a possession up close, you need only to read the posts I have made, and believe because everything I have written about what is happening to me and has been happening since l986 the First Anniversary of the Death of Dr. Stergios Nicholas Petas from Toledo, Ohio is true.
That is the day that he and three of my realtives decided to climb into my body and brutalize me and continue to do so as theya re doing now or untikl a Higher poiwer proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can take control of them and force them from my body.
To Date that has not happened, and may never happen and so I must take each day at a time, and tell the world the truth as I have experienced it.
I don't want to put his name in the copy but believe it is now necessary as an effort to try to force him from my body.
I believe if he chooses to behave this way then all his realtives and friends on Earth should know this is how Dr. Petas has decided to behave in the Spirit World.
I believe if he were on Earth he and his friends would have been arrested for Attempted Murder and would have been ordered to stay away from me in a court of law but in the Spirit World that is not the way things are handled and now I am waiting until he and his three helpers leave my body to see how or and if they are dealt with by the Guides who claim to have the power to destroy them at some point in time.
Until that happens or if and when that Happens I will write about it and in the meantime I think others should know the truths I have discovered about the Spirit World so far.
Call this a play by play of a Possession and possible exorcism, and the absolute truth.
And if you want a look at a possession up close, you need only to read the posts I have made, and believe because everything I have written about what is happening to me and has been happening since l986 the First Anniversary of the Death of Dr. Stergios Nicholas Petas from Toledo, Ohio is true.
That is the day that he and three of my realtives decided to climb into my body and brutalize me and continue to do so as theya re doing now or untikl a Higher poiwer proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can take control of them and force them from my body.
To Date that has not happened, and may never happen and so I must take each day at a time, and tell the world the truth as I have experienced it.
I don't want to put his name in the copy but believe it is now necessary as an effort to try to force him from my body.
I believe if he chooses to behave this way then all his realtives and friends on Earth should know this is how Dr. Petas has decided to behave in the Spirit World.
I believe if he were on Earth he and his friends would have been arrested for Attempted Murder and would have been ordered to stay away from me in a court of law but in the Spirit World that is not the way things are handled and now I am waiting until he and his three helpers leave my body to see how or and if they are dealt with by the Guides who claim to have the power to destroy them at some point in time.
Until that happens or if and when that Happens I will write about it and in the meantime I think others should know the truths I have discovered about the Spirit World so far.
Call this a play by play of a Possession and possible exorcism, and the absolute truth.
to rosemary:
No.
i dont need to read your posts, and i still dont belive you are possesed.
but that is my opinion.
and i belive i'm entitled to it.
happy new year.
Everything I have written is the truth, and if you need further proof you should try your own hand at the Paranormal and set out by developing your own Psychic Gift as I believe everyone has then we will see what your attitude is.
Read some books by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce as starters and set out to learn how to get in touch with the Paranormal using their teaching techniques and you just might be able to progress the way I have and when you do and all the spectacular Psychic things both good and bad begin happening maybe by then someone will believe these things and you won't have the same problem convincing others as to the truth of this as I have had.
I would like to start by saying there is nothing to fear on a Oujia Board because the only spirits you are going to contact on a board are the ones who are already in your home and they more than likely are just the spirits of your realtives and acquaintainces who have died and sometimes they like to frighten people and have fun with them on the board just to see their reaction.
Read some books by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce as starters and set out to learn how to get in touch with the Paranormal using their teaching techniques and you just might be able to progress the way I have and when you do and all the spectacular Psychic things both good and bad begin happening maybe by then someone will believe these things and you won't have the same problem convincing others as to the truth of this as I have had.
I would like to start by saying there is nothing to fear on a Oujia Board because the only spirits you are going to contact on a board are the ones who are already in your home and they more than likely are just the spirits of your realtives and acquaintainces who have died and sometimes they like to frighten people and have fun with them on the board just to see their reaction.
With all due respect Rosemary you can't force someone to believe you, (they either do or they don't) therefore arguing serves no purpose. This thread is about helping others resolve negative hauntings so could we please stay on topic? Thank you.
QUOTE (Rosemary @ Dec 18 2007, 05:47 AM)
Everything I have written is the truth, and if you need further proof you should try your own hand at the Paranormal and set out by developing your own Psychic Gift as I believe everyone has then we will see what your attitude is.
Read some books by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce as starters and set out to learn how to get in touch with the Paranormal using their teaching techniques and you just might be able to progress the way I have and when you do and all the spectacular Psychic things both good and bad begin happening maybe by then someone will believe these things and you won't have the same problem convincing others as to the truth of this as I have had.
I would like to start by saying there is nothing to fear on a Oujia Board because the only spirits you are going to contact on a board are the ones who are already in your home and they more than likely are just the spirits of your realtives and acquaintainces who have died and sometimes they like to frighten people and have fun with them on the board just to see their reaction.
Read some books by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and Edgar Cayce as starters and set out to learn how to get in touch with the Paranormal using their teaching techniques and you just might be able to progress the way I have and when you do and all the spectacular Psychic things both good and bad begin happening maybe by then someone will believe these things and you won't have the same problem convincing others as to the truth of this as I have had.
I would like to start by saying there is nothing to fear on a Oujia Board because the only spirits you are going to contact on a board are the ones who are already in your home and they more than likely are just the spirits of your realtives and acquaintainces who have died and sometimes they like to frighten people and have fun with them on the board just to see their reaction.
And what do you think it is I am writing about?
I am certainly not arguing but stating what I believe after experiencing good and bad over a more than 21 year period.
I would think that those dabbling in the Spirit World and calling themselves paranormal investigators might like to know that since l986 I as a channeller who started out much like you and others have, met up with three mean realtives and Dr. Petas who set out to prove that no one much would believe they can do this to humans and keeping our heads in the sand and trying to shush up someone with all these negative experiences is not the answer to proving what is true about the paranormal.
If you are going to call yourself a Paranormal Investigator and dish out advice then you should know these other experiences I am writing about could happen to you and others if some spirits like my three Relatives and Dr. Petas in the Spirit World decide to give others some first hand experience with dealing with spirits like them as they did with me.
No this is not any sort of threat these four while being vicious and declaring themselves Evil and causing me much pain are still afraid to come out of my body because a Guide who claims to be God has told them if they don't straighten up when they crawl out of my body they can be destroyed as Evil Spirits.
Now I would think a Paranormal Investigator who is trying to help others would want to know what my Experiences have been and how I solve this problem because you never know when you or someone else could face the same dilemma I am facing.
When I got into this I was nieve just like some others are here and I went to the Spiritual Church and prayed and developed my Psychic Abilities and after I began having this problem I learned that the Church doesn't deal with problems like this they only teach people how to develop their psychic abilities and learn to communicate and if they develop a problem like I have then we are on our own.
And wnat about calling in a Priest?
Well my E-Mails are filled with letters from Priests and Paranormal Investigators who don't know how to deal with this problem at all and when these things happen we are on our own and no amount of praying or Holy Water or sage or any of the other things we are told works and I think people ought to know these things don't work no matter what anyone tells us.
When I find out what does work you can be sure I will write about it so those who are interested in peddling the truth about the Spirit Will learn from my experiences and my mistakes and not just hide our head in the sand and keep passing on information that doesn't work,.
I am certainly not arguing but stating what I believe after experiencing good and bad over a more than 21 year period.
I would think that those dabbling in the Spirit World and calling themselves paranormal investigators might like to know that since l986 I as a channeller who started out much like you and others have, met up with three mean realtives and Dr. Petas who set out to prove that no one much would believe they can do this to humans and keeping our heads in the sand and trying to shush up someone with all these negative experiences is not the answer to proving what is true about the paranormal.
If you are going to call yourself a Paranormal Investigator and dish out advice then you should know these other experiences I am writing about could happen to you and others if some spirits like my three Relatives and Dr. Petas in the Spirit World decide to give others some first hand experience with dealing with spirits like them as they did with me.
No this is not any sort of threat these four while being vicious and declaring themselves Evil and causing me much pain are still afraid to come out of my body because a Guide who claims to be God has told them if they don't straighten up when they crawl out of my body they can be destroyed as Evil Spirits.
Now I would think a Paranormal Investigator who is trying to help others would want to know what my Experiences have been and how I solve this problem because you never know when you or someone else could face the same dilemma I am facing.
When I got into this I was nieve just like some others are here and I went to the Spiritual Church and prayed and developed my Psychic Abilities and after I began having this problem I learned that the Church doesn't deal with problems like this they only teach people how to develop their psychic abilities and learn to communicate and if they develop a problem like I have then we are on our own.
And wnat about calling in a Priest?
Well my E-Mails are filled with letters from Priests and Paranormal Investigators who don't know how to deal with this problem at all and when these things happen we are on our own and no amount of praying or Holy Water or sage or any of the other things we are told works and I think people ought to know these things don't work no matter what anyone tells us.
When I find out what does work you can be sure I will write about it so those who are interested in peddling the truth about the Spirit Will learn from my experiences and my mistakes and not just hide our head in the sand and keep passing on information that doesn't work,.
Rosemary, I can honestly say that I’ve been respectful towards you & that my conscience remains clear. I have read your story at least a dozen times & although I feel you've disrespected me, I’m above mocking or belittling you in retaliation. I have however chosen to block you from this point forward & in closing, (as this will be the last post of yours I shall ever read or comment on) I wish you the best of luck & a happy holiday season.
Did Dr Stergios Nicholas Petas exist?
QUOTE (enigma @ Jan 2 2008, 09:18 PM)
Did Dr Stergios Nicholas Petas exist?
I don't think Dr. Petas is capable of finding Ausralia, but if he were he could come over and say hello then he could become an International sensation and not just here in the good old USA.
But on the other hand if you would like to PM me your address I will see if he and his three friends will agree to leave my body and come become your Spirit Guides if you are brave enough to do that so you can help me prove they are real and that goes for anyone else on the Internet who would like to PM me your address and see if Dr. Petas or any of the Spirits I am communicating with want to give it a try.
I will suggest they be nice and only convince you they are alive but since I have little control over them at this time I am not sure how they will behave.
And of course they would have to prove they are brave enough to leave my body and confront the Guide who claims to be God and tells them if theya re inside this body when it dies they die but then who will know for sure if I am not here on the Computer?
so the spirits need an address or do you?
you say those spirits are afraid to leave your body, so what makes you think having someones address will help?
i have offered this before, ...foolish enough, will offer it again,
but i dont expect a reply,
tell the Dr and his little buddys to try me on for size...
(when will i ever learn?)
you say those spirits are afraid to leave your body, so what makes you think having someones address will help?
i have offered this before, ...foolish enough, will offer it again,
but i dont expect a reply,
tell the Dr and his little buddys to try me on for size...
(when will i ever learn?)
I am really hoping this thread doesn't turn into an extension of the possession thread that was closed a while back...
I did try and look up your Dr on the web, Rosemary, and the only thing I could pull up were a long list of websites that you have been telling this story on. Can you point us to some historical records of this individual?
I did try and look up your Dr on the web, Rosemary, and the only thing I could pull up were a long list of websites that you have been telling this story on. Can you point us to some historical records of this individual?
QUOTE (Rosemary @ Jan 3 2008, 10:28 PM)
I don't think Dr. Petas is capable of finding Ausralia, but if he were he could come over and say hello then he could become an International sensation and not just here in the good old USA.
But on the other hand if you would like to PM me your address I will see if he and his three friends will agree to leave my body and come become your Spirit Guides if you are brave enough to do that so you can help me prove they are real and that goes for anyone else on the Internet who would like to PM me your address and see if Dr. Petas or any of the Spirits I am communicating with want to give it a try.
I will suggest they be nice and only convince you they are alive but since I have little control over them at this time I am not sure how they will behave.
And of course they would have to prove they are brave enough to leave my body and confront the Guide who claims to be God and tells them if theya re inside this body when it dies they die but then who will know for sure if I am not here on the Computer?
But on the other hand if you would like to PM me your address I will see if he and his three friends will agree to leave my body and come become your Spirit Guides if you are brave enough to do that so you can help me prove they are real and that goes for anyone else on the Internet who would like to PM me your address and see if Dr. Petas or any of the Spirits I am communicating with want to give it a try.
I will suggest they be nice and only convince you they are alive but since I have little control over them at this time I am not sure how they will behave.
And of course they would have to prove they are brave enough to leave my body and confront the Guide who claims to be God and tells them if theya re inside this body when it dies they die but then who will know for sure if I am not here on the Computer?
All I did was ask an honest question.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
QUOTE (enigma @ Jan 3 2008, 10:18 AM)
All I did was ask an honest question.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
He did exist, and he lived in Toledo, Ohio up until his death in l985.
I can't believe that no other human has ever been possessed by spirits like this, and I am not sure there aren't people who are possessed and don't even realize what is causing them to think and act the way they do.
I believe its possible for Spirits to do things to humans and they won't even know it, but I just happen to be sensitive to them and can hear and see them and argue with them and hopefully soon my relatives will remember they were not bad people when they walked the earth and may have become mean and evil just to cause people to be more aware of what Spirits can do to humans and they are not happy most of the time with the way humans refer to the dead and this could be one of the reasons they are treating me this way so that I am forced to write about them trying to work things out so i can tell the world how I finally got them to stop doing this to me.
Rosemary you are contradicting yourselve. That's not helping anyone ! First you say no harm can come out of a ouija board because it's all about relatives lurking in the room already and then you describe your situation where you are being harmed by your relatives... Personally I don't believe the ouija board is an innocent thing and I would certainly not describe it as a harmless thing. There are a number of cases where people got into emotional trouble after using a ouija board...
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
There are people on this site who would be happy to answer your questions so please don’t be afraid to ask. I personally have not found any records on the alleged existence of Dr. Petas.
QUOTE (enigma @ Jan 3 2008, 10:18 AM)
All I did was ask an honest question.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
Have you had an opportunity to read the books I recommended?
QUOTE (Polderheks @ Jan 3 2008, 02:20 PM)
Rosemary you are contradicting yourselve. That's not helping anyone ! First you say no harm can come out of a ouija board because it's all about relatives lurking in the room already and then you describe your situation where you are being harmed by your relatives... Personally I don't believe the ouija board is an innocent thing and I would certainly not describe it as a harmless thing. There are a number of cases where people got into emotional trouble after using a ouija board...
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
QUOTE (Polderheks @ Jan 3 2008, 02:20 PM)
Rosemary you are contradicting yourselve. That's not helping anyone ! First you say no harm can come out of a ouija board because it's all about relatives lurking in the room already and then you describe your situation where you are being harmed by your relatives... Personally I don't believe the ouija board is an innocent thing and I would certainly not describe it as a harmless thing. There are a number of cases where people got into emotional trouble after using a ouija board...
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
This is a topic about helping others. How are your posts helping anyone ?
I don't know that I said no harm could come from the board, I believe what I said is the ones you meet on the board are usually either relatives or acquaintances of those in the house using the board and if someone appears as Evil and says mean things its normally the spirit of someone you know or I guess it could be a spirit of a former tenant if you have just moved into a new home or apartment.
People normally believe the Spirits are somewhere far away but usually they are right in the building you are working from.
I also said my Relatives talk to these spirits and others all the time and they have no problem, these four have just chosen to torment me for their own personal reasons.
They for their own reasons choose not to do these things to others and in fact they are very nice to others they talk to when I am around them.
No Laura I haven't read them yet..
Rosemary you mentioned there is nothing to fear from the ouija board...
But anyway...back on topic.
Rosemary you mentioned there is nothing to fear from the ouija board...
But anyway...back on topic.
Laura, could I please a PM of the titles of those books you mentioned?
and back to the initial topic - I agree wholeheartedly - the welfare of the living ought to me more important. We make our choices - some bad, some go through the Dark Night (I am not convinced by possessions) - we should be there for them (as most are from experience).
and back to the initial topic - I agree wholeheartedly - the welfare of the living ought to me more important. We make our choices - some bad, some go through the Dark Night (I am not convinced by possessions) - we should be there for them (as most are from experience).
I will email you the titles.
QUOTE (Damien @ Jan 7 2008, 05:36 AM)
Laura, could I please a PM of the titles of those books you mentioned?
and back to the initial topic - I agree wholeheartedly - the welfare of the living ought to me more important. We make our choices - some bad, some go through the Dark Night (I am not convinced by possessions) - we should be there for them (as most are from experience).
and back to the initial topic - I agree wholeheartedly - the welfare of the living ought to me more important. We make our choices - some bad, some go through the Dark Night (I am not convinced by possessions) - we should be there for them (as most are from experience).
Can someone tell me the names of the books too, please. 
QUOTE (Laura @ Dec 8 2007, 12:09 AM)
It saddens me to see the direction the paranormal field has taken. Somehow, compassion has been lost & the dead have become a greater priority than the living. Many paranormal investigators are too blinded by their own personal quest to see what’s right in front of them, the people involved who are suffering. Families are driven apart, others are forced to give up everything they own just to get away, (which isn’t guaranteed) & some are driven to suicide because they perceive death as their only means of escape. Often, investigations cause the phenomena to worsen & those directly involved are left to pick up the pieces of what used to be their life.
The current mind-set needs to change. Some investigators can’t grasp the magnitude of a negative haunting due to inexperience & that’s understandable. However if we merely gather evidence without attempting to help those who suffer, we contribute to the problem & are no better than the tormentor itself.
The current mind-set needs to change. Some investigators can’t grasp the magnitude of a negative haunting due to inexperience & that’s understandable. However if we merely gather evidence without attempting to help those who suffer, we contribute to the problem & are no better than the tormentor itself.
Any ethical ghost hunter(s) wont perform an investigation without the request OR permission of the family, and in most cases, or alot at least, cant.
I cant speak for every group, but ours, if something was found, would attempt to let the spirit know, again WITH FAMILY PERMISSION, that it was ok for them to move on to the other side, whatever that may be.
IF there are groups our there like you talk about....well...they're cold hearted and give the rest of us a bad name.
Do you mean ghost hunters are, or do, driving families apart? How? By gathering evidence, or not finding anything, and then not reporting back to the "client" on what they found, or didnt find?
I'm afraid I dont completely understand what your'e blaming us for or why. I see that you think there needs to be a change in mindset and that you want changes, but other than a general concern, I dont see any suggested solutions. I read end results; suicides, packing up and leaving etc...but I see no supporting data to your claims. I do not wish to know your clients names and I certainly dont want you to break any confidentiality or lose anyones trust, but there has to be some kind of example you can give us without disclosing personal information which would support you claims. I also dont understand why the mystery behind the names of books for people to read on this and why they'd have to be PMed to interested parties.
Ghost hunters are compassionate, thorough and try everything they can to help a family, at least in my opinion and experience with working with many different people on investigations. They listen, ask questions, offer sympathy...in short, they're there for the grieving client to learn about what is often a tragic and/or painful and normally private family matter.
ADDED: I wholeheartedly agree that grieving family members should be the priority. There are specialists for that, psychologists, psychiatrists and other counseling available. Ghost Hunters are not qualified/certified in grief counseling, but that doesnt mean they're not compassionate people either.
If the family needs grief counseling they should contact a counselor of some sort. If they didnt and the ghost hunters see they are really distraught, then they should, in my opinion, reccomend (if not intervene directly if it's that serious) they seek counseling, and I have seen TAPS tell families they should seek counseling for adults AND kids.
If a family contacts a ghost hunting group, then they should be prepared to possibly hear something they may not want to. All evidence or alleged evidence, should be shared, pleasant or not. it's unethical to with hold it. It's not the ghost hunting groups "fault" they were called and hired to investigate.
One doesnt go to the dentist to mend a broken bone.
QUOTE (enigma @ Jan 3 2008, 10:18 AM)
All I did was ask an honest question.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
Did the man exist on our level at any time?
I haven't been a member for all that long, and haven't seen all of whats been going on.
If you don't ask questions, you don't learn anything.
He did exist and he died in the summer of l985 and met up with three of my realtives who were very nice when I first met them at the Spiritual Church, but as my Psychic Gift developed and Guides began appearing to me who wanted to write things that these four were not interested in, my realtives and Dr. P. said they met me first at the church, and I should agree to work only with them but i said no I wanted to work with others but they could also channel if they chose to, and they said no since I was their friend and family member they had first dibs on me.
After that they have done everything they can top keep me from working freely with the Guides who wanted to pass medical Research along to Earth.
Then I was given the information to write the book about the Assassination of President Kennedy and other Crimes and this caused the Spirit to become ery aggitated because they thought great things were going to happen for me as we looked into the future and they set out toprevent that.
Back then I could solve murders almost before the corpse hit the ground and this infuriated them.
Then back in the Eighties as I said earlier a Guide gave me a Multigrain Formula which I passed on to many bakeries which has put Multigrain products on all the store shelves.
I then lerned this Formula which was designed especially for me could restore my gray hair and these four thought in the youth oriented world this would surely get me attention and so they set out to attack my brain day and night trying to prevent me from using the pread and proving it could color gray hair and keep it that way.
Then a Guide told me what would prevent Spina Bifita and some birth defects and i sent it out for research and it worked and these are some of the things that have caused Dr. P. a medical doctor and a Psychiatrist when he walked the Earth to continue to work against me with my Three Relatives knowing no one would believe my possession story or anything else I am writing while they sit inside my body.
But what I write is all true and I think others should know what can happen sometimes when you dabble in the Paranormal and meet up with spirits like this who set out to destroy work.
I would be interested in knowing how a Ghost Investigator would investigate this situation and how would they solve it other than turning and running or giving the old Cliche get some Counseling from a Psychiatrist like Dr. P. who didn't believe in any of these things when he walked the earth and he knew from the beginning no one would ever believe this.
So unlessh e comes out he has to be in the copy so his colleagues and family can see how he has chosen to behave in the Spirit World.
Most of the things we are told about getting rid of troublesome spirits like this do not work and or haven't worked so far anyway.
So while you are investigating make sure a mean Spirit like this doesn't zip into your body because if it does its very difficult to deal with them.
Having said that one of the Guides on a Higher Realm still tells them if they are inside my body when it dies, they will be put to death when they come out and just yesterday I said if you want me to believe you have power over them lets see you prove it now while I'm still on this keyboard to write about it.
Ia m now trying to make a deal with these four right now to come out and go hassle the neighbors and our other realtives and see what they can proive and or get away with so I can write about it here and on other websites to tell the World how I solved this problem.
I have by now lost my fear but not my determination to solve this problem and get to the real truth about just what is true and what is not true about the Spirit World and Life after Death.
If I die before I get them out then I will be back as a Guide looking for a Human to communicate through so keep me in mind if it comes to that.
At that time no one need be afraid of me because I will be back to tell the World how this all ended even if I don't learn the truth until I personally get to the so called Promise Land.
I am a determined Scorpio and nothing will stop me from giving the World the truth at some point in time.
QUOTE (Gigan @ Jan 3 2008, 09:13 AM)
I am really hoping this thread doesn't turn into an extension of the possession thread that was closed a while back...
I did try and look up your Dr on the web, Rosemary, and the only thing I could pull up were a long list of websites that you have been telling this story on. Can you point us to some historical records of this individual?
I did try and look up your Dr on the web, Rosemary, and the only thing I could pull up were a long list of websites that you have been telling this story on. Can you point us to some historical records of this individual?
Ghost Hunters who are interested could check out the cemeteries in Sylvania, Ohio, I believe there is a family plot there where several of his realtives have been buried since Dr. Petas died.
I also tried checking the death records in our town, and while I found thems everal years ago they now seem to have been retired to the archives.
He was on the staff of St. Charles Hospital when he walked the Earth.
Keep in mind had he lived Dr. P. would not be about eighty years old so its uncertain how many of his associates would still be alive and so I think any ghost hunters in the Toledo/Sylvania Ohio area would want to check out the local Cemeteries and see if they can find the old family plot.
Sylvania, is a suburb of Toledo, and I don't think there could be many cemeteries in the Sylvania, area.
I think what Dr. P. needs tom otivate him into coming out of my body is some Ghost Investigators lurking around in his cemetery taking pictures of his gra ve then may be he will get the attention he appears to be seeking.
The Chicago Diiocese directed me to the Greek orthodox church in Toledo where Dr. Petas was a Member and suggested they might help me but when I called the priest he was not interested in helping me get his former parishiner out of my body because he was such a wonderful church member when he walked the earth no one much wants to see him as an Evil Spirit so I guess I am on my own in solving this.
You can't see a spirit unless they want to be seen, but that Headache or itch that you can't get rid of could be an Evil Spirit like Dr. Petas and his friends attacking and I think most people wouldn't be able to know these things unless someone in the know learns this.
Shadows of the Dark written by John Zaffis/Brian McIntire, Encyclopedia of Ghosts & Spirits Second Edition written by Rosemary Guiley, & the Bible.
QUOTE (Cheryl @ Jan 18 2008, 05:18 PM)
Can someone tell me the names of the books too, please.
This blog wasn’t an attack on you or your team & I’m sorry my opinion has offended you. I didn’t write, “all” paranormal investigators are uncompassionate.
With regards to families being driven apart, I was referring to negative spirits. With regards to the book titles there is no mystery, I merely preferred emailing the titles up until now. Shadows of the Dark written by John Zaffis/Brian McIntire, Encyclopedia of Ghosts & Spirits Second Edition written by Rosemary Guiley, & the Bible.
With regards to families being driven apart, I was referring to negative spirits. With regards to the book titles there is no mystery, I merely preferred emailing the titles up until now. Shadows of the Dark written by John Zaffis/Brian McIntire, Encyclopedia of Ghosts & Spirits Second Edition written by Rosemary Guiley, & the Bible.
QUOTE (Ghost Investigator @ Jan 18 2008, 07:16 PM)
Any ethical ghost hunter(s) wont perform an investigation without the request OR permission of the family, and in most cases, or alot at least, cant.
I cant speak for every group, but ours, if something was found, would attempt to let the spirit know, again WITH FAMILY PERMISSION, that it was ok for them to move on to the other side, whatever that may be.
IF there are groups our there like you talk about....well...they're cold hearted and give the rest of us a bad name.
Do you mean ghost hunters are, or do, driving families apart? How? By gathering evidence, or not finding anything, and then not reporting back to the "client" on what they found, or didnt find?
I'm afraid I dont completely understand what your'e blaming us for or why. I see that you think there needs to be a change in mindset and that you want changes, but other than a general concern, I dont see any suggested solutions. I read end results; suicides, packing up and leaving etc...but I see no supporting data to your claims. I do not wish to know your clients names and I certainly dont want you to break any confidentiality or lose anyones trust, but there has to be some kind of example you can give us without disclosing personal information which would support you claims. I also dont understand why the mystery behind the names of books for people to read on this and why they'd have to be PMed to interested parties.
Ghost hunters are compassionate, thorough and try everything they can to help a family, at least in my opinion and experience with working with many different people on investigations. They listen, ask questions, offer sympathy...in short, they're there for the grieving client to learn about what is often a tragic and/or painful and normally private family matter.
ADDED: I wholeheartedly agree that grieving family members should be the priority. There are specialists for that, psychologists, psychiatrists and other counseling available. Ghost Hunters are not qualified/certified in grief counseling, but that doesnt mean they're not compassionate people either.
If the family needs grief counseling they should contact a counselor of some sort. If they didnt and the ghost hunters see they are really distraught, then they should, in my opinion, reccomend (if not intervene directly if it's that serious) they seek counseling, and I have seen TAPS tell families they should seek counseling for adults AND kids.
If a family contacts a ghost hunting group, then they should be prepared to possibly hear something they may not want to. All evidence or alleged evidence, should be shared, pleasant or not. it's unethical to with hold it. It's not the ghost hunting groups "fault" they were called and hired to investigate.
One doesnt go to the dentist to mend a broken bone.
I cant speak for every group, but ours, if something was found, would attempt to let the spirit know, again WITH FAMILY PERMISSION, that it was ok for them to move on to the other side, whatever that may be.
IF there are groups our there like you talk about....well...they're cold hearted and give the rest of us a bad name.
Do you mean ghost hunters are, or do, driving families apart? How? By gathering evidence, or not finding anything, and then not reporting back to the "client" on what they found, or didnt find?
I'm afraid I dont completely understand what your'e blaming us for or why. I see that you think there needs to be a change in mindset and that you want changes, but other than a general concern, I dont see any suggested solutions. I read end results; suicides, packing up and leaving etc...but I see no supporting data to your claims. I do not wish to know your clients names and I certainly dont want you to break any confidentiality or lose anyones trust, but there has to be some kind of example you can give us without disclosing personal information which would support you claims. I also dont understand why the mystery behind the names of books for people to read on this and why they'd have to be PMed to interested parties.
Ghost hunters are compassionate, thorough and try everything they can to help a family, at least in my opinion and experience with working with many different people on investigations. They listen, ask questions, offer sympathy...in short, they're there for the grieving client to learn about what is often a tragic and/or painful and normally private family matter.
ADDED: I wholeheartedly agree that grieving family members should be the priority. There are specialists for that, psychologists, psychiatrists and other counseling available. Ghost Hunters are not qualified/certified in grief counseling, but that doesnt mean they're not compassionate people either.
If the family needs grief counseling they should contact a counselor of some sort. If they didnt and the ghost hunters see they are really distraught, then they should, in my opinion, reccomend (if not intervene directly if it's that serious) they seek counseling, and I have seen TAPS tell families they should seek counseling for adults AND kids.
If a family contacts a ghost hunting group, then they should be prepared to possibly hear something they may not want to. All evidence or alleged evidence, should be shared, pleasant or not. it's unethical to with hold it. It's not the ghost hunting groups "fault" they were called and hired to investigate.
One doesnt go to the dentist to mend a broken bone.
You didnt offend me Laura. People have said A LOT worse to me about being a ghost hunter
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