Recently there has been much coverage of the high suicide rate among returning soldiers from the War Zone.

I feel that some of these people may be haunted by the Spirits of their Dead Comrades and possibly even the Spirits of some of their victims or oppossing forces in the War Zone.

Its possible some of these soldiers might be possessed by the sad spirits of others whom have died that they were near.

Say for example a soldier or even one of the iraqi's they are in battle with suddenly were killed and the Spirit popped out of their body and shockingly found themselves in the Spirit World looking down at their body and they grabbed the first body they saw and entered it.

This does happen and when it does the spirit of the dead still in shock at their death would be sad and crying and depressed and this could affect the thoughts of the person whose body they took over.

Eventually in some cases after a time the Spirit realizes they have died and will get out of the body they have temporarily entered and adjust to their new Life in the Spirit World, but more often than we think the Spirit of the Dead will try to hang onto that body as long as they can and if they do only an Exorcism and counseling by someone who deals with this sort of situation can talk the Spirit out of the Body.

I think if more people believed in these things some of these soldiers lives might be saved if they would just flatly refuse to commit suicide or whatever the invading spirit is telling them to do.

The invading Spirit could be trying to get a friend to leave their body and come join them in the afer life so they won't have to be alone.

Psychoanalyst Edith Fiore who helped those who were possessed in her Medical practice wrote about some of these things happening to soldiers who returned from world war II and said sometimes people are possessed for years and don't even know it.

She says its only by counseling the possessed and the invading spirit that this can be fixed, when the therapist talks the invading spirit into accepting their death and leave the Earthlings Body.

Many forward thinking Psychiatrists are beginning to believe that Multiple Personalities are really Spirit Possessions, and they believe its only by counseling these various personalities that they can get the spirits of the dead to accept their death and give up the body they are trying to commadeer.

Its time we all accept the power of the Dead and realize they are capable of these things, and I think the reason most of us reject it is the truth might just be to frightening for the faint of heart to accept.
Yesterday someone suggested I start a thread discussing these things and this morning one of my Guides in the afterlife chose this subject to do that with.

or maybe just maybe...I don't know..... Its possible that they are traumatize by the events they saw because I far as I know of no one has been able to forget about someones body that you know beign blown to bits and getting covered in there blood while being shot at and hearing screams of terror......but thats my opinon

i think the master there has a very valid point. i dont think posession is as rife as you think rosemary.

before you do the whole youre an ignorant unbeleiver playing into their hands rigmarole I'll tell you why i think that:


I don't beleive that posession is impossible but i do think that most soldiers are prepared for death, besides if you beleive life contimues after death then surely there'd be extra 'help' for those souls of the dead when they are dying in such circumstances.

Besides i find your blame everything on posession stance as rigid and implausible as saying that nobody has a soul and nothing is unexplainable....

Yes master of geeks.. just put it this way..

Picture yourself being an ethical soldier.. and seeing one of your soldier partners mis-treat civilians in a strange land.. to the point where they shoot'em.. to the point where they listen to the radio while killing them... and you hate it.. and you do nothing about it.. or else youll get shot or sent to prison..

That's the kind of stuff they don't train you for before sending you to those countries, Big reason to live with guilt and wanting to suicide.

ethical soldier?
soldiers are men who train to kill...thats the job, you do the job....
stupid people deny that the human beast doesnt commit crimes when justified by a government,and there fore brands them criminal, or hero...
gah, enough....

"Love thy soldier hate the war"

Its their job and hey they didn't want to get killed or kill now would they

"There were demons with guns, who marched through this place, Killing everything that moved, they're an Inhuman race" - alice cooper

Let's stop talking about soldiers and their ethics guys let's wonder why they're suiciding which ... would be normal? I mean haven't soldiers always been traumatized after the war? Heck most veterans think they're awesome and stuff like that just cause they went to the war, I think that's a sort of trauma, heh

No that was the WW2 vets nowadays they are all sad and gloomy I wish it was like the WWII celebration at the end of the Iraq war then its something to look forward to lol

I see... well I hope soldiers stop suiciding if that's true, for I've not done research on the subject, I do admit that they must see things that us civilians don't in real life (at least not often like them) that could stick to your mind always, and moments of mental stress that threatens your life.. I also feel Extremely sorry for the arabians that must pay for this war, but I wonder if they suicide too, their soldiers I mean.

Forgive me if this sounds like an odd question (haven't had me coffee yet) but this thread, as interesting as it is, but what has it to do with TV and media?

I wouldn't know, ask rosemary she started it, maybe, since it contains the death subject.. I don't know..

I'm going to move this to 'Investigation and Research' as this seems more fitting for that thread (under research, obviously)

No Comment other than to say I stand one hundred percent behind what has been written by me and the Spirits who write through me doing automatic writing.
These are not all my ideas these are made through automatic writing by the Spirits of the dead in the Spirit World.

I believe alot of our returning military suffer from post Traumatic Stress Disorder and its a miracle if anyone can come back from a battle zone of any kind and not have some type of mental disturbance plaguing them in their everday life.

As quoted from WebMD:


Its common to assume that anyone who goes through hell and comes back in one piece will feel some sort of fear, anger of anxiety.

I do not support the War in Iraq, but I do stand up for the soldiers who do their job to the best of their ability and come home, whether in good health or injured or in need of counseling and from some of the stories that have sufaced about soldiers committing crimes overseas, I would say that the government is overlooking the fact that they are keeping the soldiers in that hell too long and as a result they crack like eggs.

If you had to sit in a situation where there were shootings, bombs going off and people dying from minute to minute on a daily basis, how would you feel after a few months?

I sincerely believe that a serious investment should be made to look after our soldiers afte rthey return home, not just for their physical wellbeing, but their mental wellbeing also.

You have to look at the person as a complete package, not just a piece at a time.

very well stated, Alia
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my ten cents worth...
I have a close friend who was a "career" soldier, in fact a member of an elite group...but not the type of man to talk about his"work"
over many years i got to know him better, and whilst he would never give me an insight into what exactly he had done whilst on the job, a fair indication was he left his "career" when his wife told him, "choose between me and the army, because every time you go away, its another man who comes back"
he did explain having lost friends to suicide, due to the failure to re-ajust to "normal " society upon return from active service...
this isnt a new thing, many returned soldiers suffer from allsorts of problems,(i have family members,who still suffer) and having looked into the USA's treatment of its veterans, the high incidence of suicide isnt really suprising.
...take a man, teach him how to kill, have him do that "job' at your bidding, then send him home to live as an average citizen.....how would you cope?
but many do, but humans, for all their resourcefulness, and streangth, still have weaknesses, and i wonder, if there was a study comparing suicides in the male population(civilian) to that in the military, would there be that much of a difference?

It depends on if its peace time or war time

and that's why Soldiers must be taught what war really is before they go, not just make'em do pushups, grab a rifle, learn to shot it, and Infantry attack (aerial or naval) strategies, Most kids who join the dang armies or navies do it for the money or the free college, that's what they want, a future, not blood.

I think many of you are missing the meaning of my post.

I was trying to offer a solution by saying if I could have four spirits of the dead sitting inside my body since l986 the first anniversary of the death of Dr. P. then its possible the Suicidal Soldiers could be helped and avoid suicide if more people would accept the truth of what the Spirits of the Dead are Capable of.

There are many Psychiatrists out there now who have accepted the fact that some multiple personalities are brought about because those humans have the spirits of the dead sitting inside their body and when this is discovered the Therapists need to do therapy not only on the Possessed Human but the Spirits inside their body and try to get them to accept their death and leave the human body which does not belong to them.

Now I believe those who are dabbling in the Paranormal should stop talking all this drivel and accept the reality of the Spirit World if you are to learn anything and stop passing all this garbage you are talking on to others who are interested in learning the truth about the Spirit World and Life after Death.

You have all been brainwashed since birth about God and Jesus and Angels and Heaven to the point you are not ready to accept the reality of what may lay ahead for you in the Spirit World beyond Death when you suddenly find your spirit out there in the cold universe just hanging around, hoping someone will see you or hear you and believe you are alive.

What there is no Heaven?
What people don't really burn in Hell for their Sins?
I don't have all the answers yet, but from what I am learning that is a real possiblity.
All I know for sure is what I have experienced, and I also know there is a reservoir of knowledge up there that knows everything about us from birth til death, but I also know at this point in time he has absolutely no control over the spirits that I am dealing with but he is about watching me type this and I am now asking him point blank to stop giving me so much bull about the afterlife and tell me why the H... he doesn't solve my problem with these four spirits if he has so much power in the Universe?

oh alright sorry rose.. so you're saying that if soldiers realized that in the after life they could be even more powerful then they'd stop suiciding ?

I didn't say that at all.
I was trying to say that some soldiers who think about suicide could be actually picking up the sad thoughts of people who died in war.
And so while the word possession got into the copy they don't necessarily have to be sitting inside a body, but some might.
Some people who are sensitive and have psychic talent but not be aware of it could be actually picking up communication with sad spirits beyond the veil of death and it could influence their thinking.

Rose knows, she told us so...

this is a very odd subject as here in the UK we dont seem to have many soldiers who commit suicide, i have some ex squadie friends and i will admit it affects them but i havn't heard of any suicides from them.

As i said earlier, i would like to see the suicide rates among the civilain population as a comparison,as i cant find any data that shows any abnormal suicide rate amoung servicemen.(US or other)..where did this information come from?

Well I would assume suicide rate are almost equal in developed countries

I got the information as reported on the Six O'clock News about the high incidence of Suicide in returning soldiers.

You can't slap a "possession" sticker on this one - I'm not sure if you know anyone who has ever served in a war/battle but it causes some serious psych problems.

My great-granddad served in WW2 when he came back he had to go under extensive psychotherapy - and till the day he died he suffered mental war wounds. You can't possibly go into a war to witness your one of your best friends getting blown up or someones head get blown off -- I can't watch war films (e.g. Saving Private Ryan) without having night terrors or feeling crappy for a few days, imagine seeing this in person. Shoot even Army nurses & doctors suffer some mental trauma. Men he knew committed suicide shortly after returning home .... even some long after it.



It has absolutely nothing to do with a dead soldier taking over someones body -- the sadness and pain they feel is simply from what they've witnessed.

I enjoy your posts, I think you bring something interesting to the table but this isn't close to being right in my book on some level it's actually offensive I have friends who's husbands are serving in this war, and some of them have lost their loved ones while they go and fight. To hear something like this just doesn't seem appropriate to me.

Maybe I'm being nit-picky but...

I did not write what I did to bring trauma.

What I hoped might happen is that people around soldiers suffering trauma might pay close attention to what they are saying and decipher what it means.

Do they believe the Spirits of the dead they knew are speaking to them?

Do they feel the Spirits of the Dead are haunting them?

If the person that this could be happening to doesn't believe in the Spirit World or life after death they might begin to believe its all in their heads.

one of the reasons I told on this site and others about three of my realtives and and Dr P. tormenting me as Evil Possessing Spirits was to tell others once in a while these things can happen to humans.

One of the reasons these spirits are doing this to me is they read a book written by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery called 'Strangers Among Us' which writes about walk-in's and this caused these four to try to take over my body and I thought if this could happen to me it might happen to some of these soldiers and perhaps a spirit of the dead might influence their thinking to the point they would leave their body through suicide.

But other than that thats my only reason for trying to enlighten people as to the real truth about Life After Death.

good point BE, some people simply aren't mean to see such things.

That is what I feel best describes how there might be an increase in suicides among returning soldiers.

Sure, they more than likely picked up on the sadness and pain felt by fellow "living" soldiers who have also had to witness the death of a "brother", as that is how they are taught to consider one another.. as brothers and you never leave a brother behind.

But, these young men and women are also carrying their own anguish from what they have had to witness and endure on a daily basis and are more than likely "haunted" by the faces and memories of those they lost in battle.



To say that we have all been brainwashed is like saying that we are all in the wrong and whatever you have is the almighty right in all the universe and I am sorry but that's something I just cannot agree with.
I think most of us here on GM are logical, civil minded people who have our own opinions on subjects and are open to the possibility of things existing out there beyond what we have been taught.

For one, you have provided no proof or evidence what so ever that you have four spirits inhabiting your body, even though others have made suggeestions, such as a hypnotherapy session or something in which these other entities could be given a forum in which to clearly communicate and it could be recorded and you have avoided such. And before you jump the gun, I am not intending to pick on you or bash, merely stating.

Now then, that being said we'll move on to the orginal subject.

There has been a continuous stream of news reporting deaths of military in the war recently, its an everyday thing now to see a headline about a bombing, its an everyday occurence now.

I am going to look further into this to see if there are any statistics to post up on the suicide rates among both civilian and military and see if there is a difference of some kind, at least with numbers, we'll be able to see something concrete.

Andas I have stated before, our military would be less likely to commit suicide or suffer as returning home if our ever shameful government would do something to actually provide our men and women with the kind of care that they really do deserve!

I DO NOT like Dubya and I definitely DO NOT have any kind of liking for the US government, but i respect anyone who signs up in the military and can do the job with honor and defend the rights and freedoms of not only the US but for other countries as well.

Nuff said, out I go number hunting. *salutes*

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The only proof I have that four spirits are sitting inside my body is everytime I get on this computer they in many cases are writing right along with me.

I knew these spirits when I lived with them here on Earth and I recognize them in the Spirit World because not only am I working with them against my wishes I am also working with many Spirit Guides who are giving me much important information to prove they exist in the Spirit World.

Some people on this board might like to visit

http://www.psychic-experiences.com

and read the stories from other psychics who can relate to me a lot more than some of you and I believe that's because they may be more advanced in their Paranormal development.

I make that suggestion not to be mean or spiteful but to just direct some of you interested in these things to a wonderful site where much information can be found.

I of course have had a good time on this site telling my story and getting your reaction now I think its time for some of you to get more education on these things then perhaps one day you too will be as advanced in the Paranormal as I and some of the people on the other website are and then you too will believe.

I say within five years all of you will think differently than you do now.
Thats called learning and progress as we all delve into the Supernatural.

It is impossible to fight for freedom when the ones you're shooting are homeless people, We're getting off topic here.

Sadly I haven't seen anyone posting Statistics of soldiers suiciding now more than ten years ago, perhaps such statistics aren't shown so that people won't find out about'em ?

most suicides are not made public, but i'm guessing there would be some sort of medical study,that collects the data...

it must be like the Internet Traffic logs that the ISP's keep to themselves, and Technically the internet's running out, Too many people using it and too few investing on it, must me sort of like the same in the army, the ISP's aren't handing out these private logs/statistics.

The news report I heard said the suicide rate among military now is even higher than it was during World War II and other conflicts.

I read on the internet that every week 120 american veterans commit suicide and that the suicide rate is twice as high as in non-veterans. It does not mention the Gulf specifically. I would post the link here but it's in dutch...

I guess that all wars the US were involved in since WWII are somewhat controversial (Vietnam and Iraq). That must have an impact on soldiers. Nowadays when a soldier comes back from f.i. iraq, he is not given the warm welcome he would have received after WWII. You go to a far off country to fight against communism (Vietnam) or to keep the oil interests of your government secure (Iraq), you witness horrible things and when you get back you find that a large amount of the public is totally against the war.

To suggest that posessions are behind the high suicide rate is just...well...I almost find it offensive. Instead of pointing the finger of blame towards the spirit world, one could take a close look at the problems these veterans encountered after coming back home...depression, addiction, anxiety-attacks...all clear signs of an overstressed mind. Maybe this is a clear signal that more needs to be done to prevent these mental problems. Combine the atrocities of a war with a feeling of not really knowing what you were fighting it for and a hostile public opinion...that's bound to lead to problems.

Here in Japan - there are 30,000 suicides a year - none war related - despite Japan's involvement in Iraq, that number is declining. As far as I know, there have been no Australian soldier suicides either.

My grandfather suffered badly after being an assault engineer for the Royal Scots Guard in WW2 - for years, he had 'Shell Shock' and to the day he died he had a shadow over his face from what he experienced. Before I was born, grandfather would suddenly break into convulsions and yelling incoherencies - this passed as time passed. Now, I reject any suggestion that the spirits of the dead 'possessed' him at all - he was, as others have mentioned - traumatised. The conviulsions etc were epilepsy. (Incidently, the times when grandfather comes to me in dreams and meditation - he has said that this notion is nonsense)

I am a skeptic, an open minded skeptic - meaning I am willing to accept evidence that anything occurs - however, I need the evidence to be first hand and conclusive. I am not convinced of spirit possessions of the returning soldiers. I have actually heard this argument before and never have been convinced, as I am not convinced now.

I agree totally with Polderheks statement:

This topic caught my attention as I'm in the military and have been to Iraq.

Interesting reading until i foud that Edith Fiore, as mentioned in the 9th and 10th paragraphs in the original post, gave up her license due to the California State Board of Psychology accused her of being grossly negligent. That just kind of destroys anything else said.

Fiore surrendered her license and agreed to stipulations
made by the state and the board without going to an administrative
trial. Fiore, who did not return phone calls from the Saratoga News,
told Meadows--and states on her office voicemail--that she has retired
from the clinical practice of psychology.


REFERENCE TO LOSS OF LICENSE

I hadn't heard about that, but if it happened it was only because a knowledgeable person who had a medical license knew what she was talking about and the clueless people of the World that she was trying to Educate turned on her and I certainly know how that feels.

Perhaps since you are in the Military one day you might need the services of a Psychiatrist like Edith to help you deal with the unhappy spirit of some of your commrades who just might be unhappy at their untimely deaths and follow you home and follow you around crying hoping you will tell the World they are alive in the spirit World, and of course one day if things don't pan out right you could be the one trying to get a Channel like me or Edith to listen to you and tell the world you are alive.

Of course since you have spent so much time along with others discrediting people in the know like Edith and I you may not find anyone to believe you anymore than they did Edith and I.

not that it's yoru business but I've had the need to talk to professionals about stuff I've seen in Iraq.

If you would read the article I linked to my post you'd see that the people didnt turn on her. she was abusing her position and unethical. She quit rather than face a medical review board to save face.

People turn on you, as you claim above by knowing how that feels, because you are a woman with your own agenda that doesnt want to hear what anyone else has to say. In another thread you said our discussions were "clueless" and "the blind leading the blind" and then refer to me being clueless, along with the rest of the world. Yet, you return time and time again to participate in our clueless, blind leading the blind, discussions. why? If we're that bad, go away.

Ghost Investigator - I have seen first hand the traumatic effects that returned combat soldiers face.

I trust the word and experiences of veterans such as you and my grandfather and so many others over alll others.

To be honest, I find talk of so called possessions of returned soldiers leading to their suicide quite offensive. Just my opinion.

Thank you Damien. I wasnt looking for attention, just trying to get my point across

I too find it insulting and quite frankly rediculous but everyone is entitled to their personal opinion and belief system