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Luna
Man 'raped by ghosts' to see psychiatrist

A man accused of an arson attack on his Northampton home because he was being "raped by ghosts" is to be assessed by a psychiatrist.
David Pearson, aged 40, is alleged to have set fire to the lounge of his home in Dallington Haven, a sheltered housing complex in Warren Road, Dallington, at 5.30pm on Monday, July 16.

Firefighters from The Mounts, Mereway and Moulton stations were called out to deal with the blaze after initial reports said Pearson was trapped inside the two-storey building.

He has been held in custody since his arrest. On Monday he appeared at Northampton Crown Court facing charges of arson with intent to endanger life and an alternative of reckless arson.

Judge Phillip Head did not require him to enter pleas to the charges after hearing there was now a question of weather Pearson was mentally fit to plead.

The prosecution alleges that Pearson – who wore a grey sweatshirt and purple tracksuit bottoms for the short hearing – set fire to the property and then called police to inform them.

He then left the sheltered housing complex and went to Campbell Square Police Station where he allegedly said: "It's because ghosts were raping me."

Matthew Maynard, prosecuting, told the judge how there were mental health issues to the case and Pearson would have to undergo assessment by a psychiatrist to discover if he was fit to enter a plea.

If he is found to be mentally ill, a jury will then decide at a special hearing if he was legally responsible for the fire.

Steven Evans, defending, made no application for bail and Pearson, who only spoke to confirm his name, was further remanded in custody until early October.

Last Updated: 08 August 2007 8:10 AM
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I like how they pointed out what he wore to the hearing. He was wearing Greygoats Purple Pygmy Party Pants laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Lily of the Lake
QUOTE(Luna @ Aug 8 2007, 08:39 PM) *
I like how they pointed out what he wore to the hearing. He was wearing Greygoats Purple Pygmy Party Pants laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


HAHAHAHA!!! That's beautiful!
Pulling a Micheal Jackson and showing up to court in ridiculous articles of clothing!
this reminds me of another thread:
Another person claiming to be raped by a ghost.

This article makes me think twice about that thread.
Good find Luna! thumbsup.gif (I have to say it)
Zeus
QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 8 2007, 09:12 PM) *
HAHAHAHA!!! That's beautiful!
Pulling a Micheal Jackson and showing up to court in ridiculous articles of clothing!
this reminds me of another thread:
Another person claiming to be raped by a ghost.

This article makes me think twice about that thread.
Good find Luna! thumbsup.gif (I have to say it)


The michael jackson joke was quite annoying lily sad.gif

but anyway, even if the person's crazy or not, we all know what happens to "psychics" or "ghost victims" in courts...
Rosemary
QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 8 2007, 10:12 PM) *
HAHAHAHA!!! That's beautiful!
Pulling a Micheal Jackson and showing up to court in ridiculous articles of clothing!
this reminds me of another thread:
Another person claiming to be raped by a ghost.

This article makes me think twice about that thread.
Good find Luna! thumbsup.gif (I have to say it)


Actually the Spirit of deceased Humans can do this to people on Earth although I can see why no one much believes this.
I do not however approve of him setting the Fire because this would have no effect on the Ghosts, all they will do now if they choose to is follow him to Jail where he is even more trapped and they can victimize him even more and now no one will ever believe him.

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QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 8 2007, 09:12 PM) *
HAHAHAHA!!! That's beautiful!
Pulling a Micheal Jackson and showing up to court in ridiculous articles of clothing!
this reminds me of another thread:
Another person claiming to be raped by a ghost.

This article makes me think twice about that thread.
Good find Luna! thumbsup.gif (I have to say it)

Heh heh, Michael Jackson...the thriller side show pedophile clown. laugh.gif

I just cant see ghosts raping peole. I try and keep an open mind but I gotta call bs and say that drugs just might have had something to do with this. lol
Luna
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 10 2007, 08:33 AM) *
Heh heh, Michael Jackson...the thriller side show pedophile clown. laugh.gif

I just cant see ghosts raping peole. I try and keep an open mind but I gotta call bs and say that drugs just might have had something to do with this. lol


Ever see The Entity? Supposedly it was based on a true story. But you know how Hollywood is...

I wouldn't be surprised at all if drugs were involved in this particular incident though. But maybe the reason they're sending him to a psychiatrist is because a drug test came back clean? No idea. Either way, I think there's some mental instability issues there.
Lily of the Lake
QUOTE(GlamRockEliteSinger @ Aug 9 2007, 06:26 AM) *
The michael jackson joke was quite annoying lily sad.gif


I was referring to when he showed to court in his pajamas

Rosemary
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 9 2007, 06:33 PM) *
Heh heh, Michael Jackson...the thriller side show pedophile clown. laugh.gif

I just cant see ghosts raping peole. I try and keep an open mind but I gotta call bs and say that drugs just might have had something to do with this. lol


Whether you believe it or not male ghosts can appear as full fledged men and they can project penis and become as ugly and thraetening as their sick minds would do on earth if they accousted a woman in her home or in an alley.

Female ghosts can appear as full fledged women and they can appear naked and ugly and theatening and they can do vulgar pictures and curse and be terrible.

As we could guess from the way people live and the way they die they can end up in the Spirit World bitter and angry and vengeful and blame people back on Earth for their feelings and some of them return and inflict this kind of abuse on Humans and when Humans try to tell others about this they naturally don't believe this because they have never experienced it.

When the spirits of the dead behave this way its usually someones relatives or acquaintances who have a grudge againt those back on earth and this is why they do these things hoping that the human will tell the story and no one will believe.

In this case the attacking spirit has what he was after in the first place he drove this person to do something that others will label crazy but dealing with spirits like this sometimes can drive those who are inexperienced to do things that are not normal but they do it out of fear and frustration.

Minty Freshness
A ghost raping someone!? I don't believe it.
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QUOTE(Minty Freshness @ Aug 11 2007, 04:07 AM) *
A ghost raping someone!? I don't believe it.


Damn right! I was gonna respond to the post above you Minty but I it's getting late and Im getting tired so I really dont feel like reading a novel right now. rofl.gif

Rosemary, Im gonna try and be as nice as possible about this but do you really expect me to believe that a ghost can rape a person? You have to admit this is pretty far out there. Im mean where no man has gone before.

I stand by what I said and call BS! This guy is on drugs, crazy, needs attention or is just plain stupid. grin2.gif
Minty Freshness
I think he wants attention and is crazy.
Zeus
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 11 2007, 04:27 AM) *
Damn right! I was gonna respond to the post above you Minty but I it's getting late and Im getting tired so I really dont feel like reading a novel right now. rofl.gif

Rosemary, Im gonna try and be as nice as possible about this but do you really expect me to believe that a ghost can rape a person? You have to admit this is pretty far out there. Im mean where no man has gone before.

I stand by what I said and call BS! This guy is on drugs, crazy, needs attention or is just plain stupid. grin2.gif


I do believe that a poltergeist can sexually abuse a person, more than 3 different users have come here to g-m begging for help cause they were abused and all of them never returned, we don't know if they lied or not but there's the possibility.
fiendo
so....intresting....so....intresting......
i think there needs to be a very clear line drawn between ghostly experiance and mental illness....
The two are quite a different thing,in my humble opinion....
(and i will try to withold any jokes about sex with ghosts...for the moment..)
Zeus
QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 11 2007, 08:19 AM) *
so....intresting....so....intresting......
i think there needs to be a very clear line drawn between ghostly experiance and mental illness....
The two are quite a different thing,in my humble opinion....
(and i will try to withold any jokes about sex with ghosts...for the moment..)


yeah I hope you're right man, I hope those people were just mentally ill.. cause if a ghost can rape a person.. then I'll be TRULY pissed off...
fiendo
why? caused you aint getting any action?
(opps, shouldnt have said that...do i hear gigan stomping on the horizion?)
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QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 11 2007, 08:28 AM) *
why? caused you aint getting any action?
(opps, shouldnt have said that...do i hear gigan stomping on the horizion?)

Oh you did it now Fordo! Gigan and his oppressive regime will strike upon thee with great anger and say "lets get back on topic guys" and those words shall echo throughout the land for eons and eons! original.gif

Sorry Gigan but I couldnt pass that up. thumbsup.gif
Rosemary
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 11 2007, 05:27 AM) *
Damn right! I was gonna respond to the post above you Minty but I it's getting late and Im getting tired so I really dont feel like reading a novel right now. rofl.gif

Rosemary, Im gonna try and be as nice as possible about this but do you really expect me to believe that a ghost can rape a person? You have to admit this is pretty far out there. Im mean where no man has gone before.

I stand by what I said and call BS! This guy is on drugs, crazy, needs attention or is just plain stupid. grin2.gif


Well I will try to explain these things from a Ghosts point of view and how its done.

A Ghost for Example can appear as an Orb but for those who can see them they can appear as an Animal they can appear as a snake, they can appear as almost anything or anyone they want to and they can appear just as they looked to us on Earth.

They can appear and stand by our bed and sock us and how they do it I don't know but you can actually feel the blow just as if they were here in human form.

They can stand by your bed with a big butcher knife and plunge it into you and while the knife is imaginary and doesn't cut it feels like a stab and is very painful and frightening.

Now that same Ghost can appear as a Man and whip out a big penis and attack just as if he were a man who grabs a woman in an alley and its just as terrible because somehow these ghosts can make these things painful and real and I am not sure how its done but its possible.

Now I believe this man was really having a problem with a possessing gost or spirit but because he didnt know how these things work he thought if he burned the house down he could get rid of them but of course thats not how it works.

I have not written all I know about dealing with Spirits because its crude and ugly and vicious.

I know that a Spirit can cause a human to awaken in the middle of the night and there he is grinning and from all appearances there is a sexual act going on and believe if this happens it brings y ou out of bed madder than blazes but what can be done nothing because people don't believe these things can happen and if you tell them what the real truth isa bout the Spirit World they normally think you are on drugs, drunk or crazy.
It can happen, and may happen to more people than we know, and many of them just keep their mouths shut about it because they don't want to be treated badly for telling such a story.
Rosemary
QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 11 2007, 09:19 AM) *
so....intresting....so....intresting......
i think there needs to be a very clear line drawn between ghostly experiance and mental illness....
The two are quite a different thing,in my humble opinion....
(and i will try to withold any jokes about sex with ghosts...for the moment..)


Well you will change your mind if some Big Ugly Horney Female Ghost who is still lusting after life pays you a visit but if that should happen please come back here and tell us and lets see if we believer you.
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This man lived in North Hampton which means the guy has MONEY! If he was having problems with ghosts/ spirits/ or demons why not stay with friends and put the house up for sale?

Ill tell you why cause he is fricken nuts!

I dont deny that its possible the house was or is haunted but what I do deny is the actual raping of him by these ghosts. I continue to call BS.

Why didnt this man try and get help from someone that is an expert in the field or a priest to come in and try to cleans the house?

Sorry Rosemary but your posts only lead to more questions...
Damien
admittedly i am finding it difficult to beieve this mans claims
fiendo
QUOTE(Rosemary @ Aug 12 2007, 04:02 AM) *
Well you will change your mind if some Big Ugly Horney Female Ghost who is still lusting after life pays you a visit but if that should happen please come back here and tell us and lets see if we believer you.

It happened! but the ghost woman was hot, we are now in a stable, otherworldly relationship....
Zeus
QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 11 2007, 10:34 PM) *
It happened! but the ghost woman was hot, we are now in a stable, otherworldly relationship....


may I ask how you invoke this woman fordo? and why is your rank title cactus? lol +D
Rosemary
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 11 2007, 02:10 PM) *
This man lived in North Hampton which means the guy has MONEY! If he was having problems with ghosts/ spirits/ or demons why not stay with friends and put the house up for sale?

Ill tell you why cause he is fricken nuts!

I dont deny that its possible the house was or is haunted but what I do deny is the actual raping of him by these ghosts. I continue to call BS.

Why didnt this man try and get help from someone that is an expert in the field or a priest to come in and try to cleans the house?

Sorry Rosemary but your posts only lead to more questions...


Leaving the house to stay with friends or putting the house up for sale would not solve the problem because if this Spirit of the dead has it in for him and is there to torment him for some reason it will just leave the house and follow him.

Find a Priest and or a deliverance minister is not that easy to find because if no one here believes this will happen to a human chances are the priest and or Minister will not believe and before they do help they are required to have the person see all sorts of Doctors to verify this is true and most Psychiatrists don't believe in these things and if they do they are not going to say so because they fear for their reputations so until more people begin to know the truth about life after death and the power of the Spirits of the dead I'm afraid that humans who have these experiences are pretty much on their own and end up trying to tell these stories on webpages like this which one would think people interested in Ghosts-Mysteries might be the place that these stories can be told but as we know that is not as easy as we would like it to be.
Its only by experiencing some of the things I and others have that people will become believers.

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QUOTE(Rosemary @ Aug 12 2007, 01:09 AM) *
Leaving the house to stay with friends or putting the house up for sale would not solve the problem because if this Spirit of the dead has it in for him and is there to torment him for some reason it will just leave the house and follow him.

Find a Priest and or a deliverance minister is not that easy to find because if no one here believes this will happen to a human chances are the priest and or Minister will not believe and before they do help they are required to have the person see all sorts of Doctors to verify this is true and most Psychiatrists don't believe in these things and if they do they are not going to say so because they fear for their reputations so until more people begin to know the truth about life after death and the power of the Spirits of the dead I'm afraid that humans who have these experiences are pretty much on their own and end up trying to tell these stories on webpages like this which one would think people interested in Ghosts-Mysteries might be the place that these stories can be told but as we know that is not as easy as we would like it to be.
Its only by experiencing some of the things I and others have that people will become believers.

How do you know? You dont and neither do I. Now if the man had made attemps to relocate or find some help from a priest or whatever then I could see what you are saying but he did not...

I can see your point of getting evaluated first about mental health but did this man do anything at all to even help himself? Not according to the article he didnt.

I f I was tormented by something of this nature then I would do all that I could to help myself before setting fire to my own house!

This whole story sounds like BS! My guess is he lost it one night and he is now telling crazy ghost stories to get an insanity plea in court.

Rosemary
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 12 2007, 02:30 AM) *
How do you know? You dont and neither do I. Now if the man had made attemps to relocate or find some help from a priest or whatever then I could see what you are saying but he did not...

I can see your point of getting evaluated first about mental health but did this man do anything at all to even help himself? Not according to the article he didnt.

I f I was tormented by something of this nature then I would do all that I could to help myself before setting fire to my own house!

This whole story sounds like BS! My guess is he lost it one night and he is now telling crazy ghost stories to get an insanity plea in court.


You are wrong, and I know that because as I wrote in: Do You believe In Spirit Possession? I tell the story about the spirits of three of my dead relatives and Dr. P. who have been sitting inside my body since l986 doing terrible things to me and no one so far has believed that this is happening and there is little I can do about it because people have the attitude you are displaying.

I have contacted Priests and Paranormal Investigators and few will touch this situation.

I did get one Paranormal Group out here and their equipment cannot pick up a spirit or a sound if the Ghosts don't wish to participate and again there is no way of proving anything.

Most Psychiatrists don't believe what i am writing and they don't believe others who have this problem.

One of the Spirits doing this to me was a Psychiatrist when he was alive on Earth and he is having one great laughing time as I try to find help to get a Priest or anyone to believe me and so no one can say for sure what is true and what is not true unless or until they have the same problem themselves.

I don't have any proof that a Priest can help anyway, because praying and holy water and all the rememdies suggested by others has not helped and I believe if this could happen to me and this man it could happen to almost anyone if there is a Spirit of the Dead who chooses to seek vengance.

I have tried to talk to these four and tell them they are accomplishing nothing by picking on only me because no one believes, and if they want to get attention they have to leave my body and choose others to do this to and if no one in the Spirit World stops them I will use them as teachers and write about this and they can teach others just what Spirits are capable of then they will believe.
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QUOTE(Rosemary @ Aug 12 2007, 02:16 AM) *
You are wrong, and I know that because as I wrote in: Do You believe In Spirit Possession? I tell the story about the spirits of three of my dead relatives and Dr. P. who have been sitting inside my body since l986 doing terrible things to me and no one so far has believed that this is happening and there is little I can do about it because people have the attitude you are displaying.

I have contacted Priests and Paranormal Investigators and few will touch this situation.

I did get one Paranormal Group out here and their equipment cannot pick up a spirit or a sound if the Ghosts don't wish to participate and again there is no way of proving anything.

Most Psychiatrists don't believe what i am writing and they don't believe others who have this problem.

One of the Spirits doing this to me was a Psychiatrist when he was alive on Earth and he is having one great laughing time as I try to find help to get a Priest or anyone to believe me and so no one can say for sure what is true and what is not true unless or until they have the same problem themselves.

I don't have any proof that a Priest can help anyway, because praying and holy water and all the rememdies suggested by others has not helped and I believe if this could happen to me and this man it could happen to almost anyone if there is a Spirit of the Dead who chooses to seek vengance.

I have tried to talk to these four and tell them they are accomplishing nothing by picking on only me because no one believes, and if they want to get attention they have to leave my body and choose others to do this to and if no one in the Spirit World stops them I will use them as teachers and write about this and they can teach others just what Spirits are capable of then they will believe.


You know what Rosemary? I have tried to have a civil and respectful conversation with you and your supposed entities within but that is no longer going to happen.

To sit there and tell me flat out that I am wrong is VERY egotisticle, arrogant and just outright BS! I have never said anything mean or derogitory towards you but to sit there on your high horse talking about how you know all this stuff without a shred of proof to offer other than your words on a screen is utterly ridiculous!

You need to remember that we all have opinions here and just because there are people that do not agree with you doesnt make you right and them wrong!

How arrogant of you to sit there and pull this crap when you tell us crazy stories about how Elvis, JFK and others have spoke to you from the other side.

Dont waste your time responding cause Im done with reading about the fantasy world you live in and will no longer post anymore responses to you.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to fire up the end loader to scoop up all the BS you have spewed so the place smells better!
fiendo
lol, Dark prince, no need to argue with rosey, she is the new messiah,
but seriously, i think this is a good forum to make every one more socially aware about mental illness, and stop some of the social stigma attached to such illness.
Rosemary
QUOTE(Dark Prince @ Aug 12 2007, 04:19 AM) *
You know what Rosemary? I have tried to have a civil and respectful conversation with you and your supposed entities within but that is no longer going to happen.

To sit there and tell me flat out that I am wrong is VERY egotisticle, arrogant and just outright BS! I have never said anything mean or derogitory towards you but to sit there on your high horse talking about how you know all this stuff without a shred of proof to offer other than your words on a screen is utterly ridiculous!

You need to remember that we all have opinions here and just because there are people that do not agree with you doesnt make you right and them wrong!

How arrogant of you to sit there and pull this crap when you tell us crazy stories about how Elvis, JFK and others have spoke to you from the other side.

Dont waste your time responding cause Im done with reading about the fantasy world you live in and will no longer post anymore responses to you.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to fire up the end loader to scoop up all the BS you have spewed so the place smells better!


I'm sorry you feel that way.

I don't mean to sound like an igotistical know it all but what can I say when you call my knowledge BS and refuse to believe that Elvis, JFK and others can speak to me from beynd the veil of Death.

They could in fact speak to any one of you if you would only believe and develop your Psychic Gift which I believe all of us have and see what Guides appear to you.

My mean spirits are an isolated case I believe because in all the years I have been working with Spirit not one other spirit has appeared to me in a threatening way.

But to call my knowledge and my experiences BS and suggest mental treatment and the like which many do is not nice.

Of course I have no proof because I can't record these Spirits voices or take pictures of them because they won't participate and I am not very good on that kind of equipment anyway.

Some people may be timid about believing my Stories just in case I am making it up but I assure you its all true.

In fact JFK is very hurt because I can't get anyone to believe the truth behind the Assassination and also because when I send a Manuscript out anywhere it disappears without a trace and so its very discouraging and he believes the world will never hear the truth behind his murder and if that happens he will never find peace in the After Life.

There is good and bad Souls in the after Life just as there are here on Earth and those who seek vengance in the Spirit World against humans they feel have in someway contributed to their unhappiness when they were here on Earth may return to seek Vengance knowing the person will have trouble getting anyone to believe them.

So no I am not arrogant or know it all and I am not peddling BS but trying to share the Knowledge I have picked up from communication with the Spirit World for more than 20 years and I believe people should be aware of the good and bad of Spirit Communication so they know how to deal with everything that might come to them from the Spirit World.
Luna
QUOTE(Rosemary @ Aug 13 2007, 02:27 AM) *
I'm sorry you feel that way.

I don't mean to sound like an igotistical know it all but what can I say when you call my knowledge BS and refuse to believe that Elvis, JFK and others can speak to me from beynd the veil of Death.

They could in fact speak to any one of you if you would only believe and develop your Psychic Gift which I believe all of us have and see what Guides appear to you.

My mean spirits are an isolated case I believe because in all the years I have been working with Spirit not one other spirit has appeared to me in a threatening way.

But to call my knowledge and my experiences BS and suggest mental treatment and the like which many do is not nice.

Of course I have no proof because I can't record these Spirits voices or take pictures of them because they won't participate and I am not very good on that kind of equipment anyway.

Some people may be timid about believing my Stories just in case I am making it up but I assure you its all true.

In fact JFK is very hurt because I can't get anyone to believe the truth behind the Assassination and also because when I send a Manuscript out anywhere it disappears without a trace and so its very discouraging and he believes the world will never hear the truth behind his murder and if that happens he will never find peace in the After Life.

There is good and bad Souls in the after Life just as there are here on Earth and those who seek vengance in the Spirit World against humans they feel have in someway contributed to their unhappiness when they were here on Earth may return to seek Vengance knowing the person will have trouble getting anyone to believe them.

So no I am not arrogant or know it all and I am not peddling BS but trying to share the Knowledge I have picked up from communication with the Spirit World for more than 20 years and I believe people should be aware of the good and bad of Spirit Communication so they know how to deal with everything that might come to them from the Spirit World.

Rosemary, I've posted a question for you over in the Questions For Rosemary thread regarding your last comment.

I would've PM'd that but my net is running wicked slow today and it was just faster to post it here, sorry tongue.gif
Rosemary
QUOTE(Luna @ Aug 12 2007, 11:26 PM) *
Rosemary, I've posted a question for you over in the Questions For Rosemary thread regarding your last comment.

I would've PM'd that but my net is running wicked slow today and it was just faster to post it here, sorry tongue.gif

Ok I'll go read the ask Rosemary and answer there.
Aliamaru
Quite honestly, after seeing how things have gone on this thread and the other in the General area, I think it would be an excellent idea if everyone stepped back for a while and just took a few deep breaths. yes.gif

Cheryl
QUOTE(Ice_Princess_Ali @ Aug 14 2007, 07:05 PM) *
Quite honestly, after seeing how things have gone on this thread and the other in the General area, I think it would be an excellent idea if everyone stepped back for a while and just took a few deep breaths. yes.gif


Alright. So I took a few steps back, tripped, fell over, knocked a whole bunch of stuff everywhere. Took a few deep breaths and use those to curse very loudly.
Now what?
Lily of the Lake
QUOTE(Cheryl @ Aug 14 2007, 02:09 PM) *
Alright. So I took a few steps back, tripped, fell over, knocked a whole bunch of stuff everywhere. Took a few deep breaths and use those to curse very loudly.
Now what?


hahahah! LMAO!!! w00t.gif
That's great! laugh.gif
Aliamaru
QUOTE(Cheryl @ Aug 14 2007, 01:09 PM) *
Alright. So I took a few steps back, tripped, fell over, knocked a whole bunch of stuff everywhere. Took a few deep breaths and use those to curse very loudly.
Now what?


Need a bandaid?
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QUOTE(Cheryl @ Aug 14 2007, 03:09 PM) *
Alright. So I took a few steps back, tripped, fell over, knocked a whole bunch of stuff everywhere. Took a few deep breaths and use those to curse very loudly.
Now what?

If ya have to ask take another step back and repeat the process over again. laugh.gif
Appariton777
QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 9 2007, 07:57 PM) *
I was referring to when he showed to court in his pajamas

Nice pic very funny! laugh.gif laugh.gif
Emmeileia
It is hard to believe, but I have heard of this before. Or at least of people having 'sexual interaction' (not just rape experiences) with ghosts before. (I think cosmo did a halloween article on it once, it was HI-LARIOUS)

There is a long tradition of DEMONS raping people, however. I mean, calling them demons may just be calling a rose by any other name, but the tradition is there.

You have Lilith in the Judeo-Christian tradition who steals men's seed to produce demon offspring. Also Incubi (male) and Succubi (female) who traditionally seduce or rape people for reasons unknow.

There is the African (I think) Popobawa (means bat-winged demon) who rapes men who don't believe in him...in fact there was just recently supposed to be an outbreak of Popobawa attacks.

As to why a ghost would rape someone...who knows. Maybe they want to get laid. Metaphysically speaking sex is supposed to create a lot of 'energy' that a ghost could want for some reason.

Gigan
Incubi and Sucubi were just scapegoats for nocturnal arousal in men and women, manufactured in the fevered minds of religious zealots, as with all other things we couldn't explain back in the day, who else could we blame but the devil and his minions?

From Wikipedia:

A number of mundane explanations have been offered for the origin of the incubus legends. They involve the Medieval preoccupation with sin, especially sexual sins of women. Victims may have been experiencing waking dreams or sleep paralysis. Also, nocturnal arousal, orgasm or nocturnal emission could be explained by the idea of creatures causing an otherwise guilt-producing and self-conscious behavior.

Purported victims of incubi could have been the victims of sexual assault by a real person. Rapists may have attributed the rapes of sleeping women to demons in order to escape punishment. A friend or relative may have assaulted the victim in her sleep. The victims and, in some cases the local clergy, may have found it easier to explain the attack as supernatural rather than confront the idea that the attack came from someone in a position of trust.


Disassociation, anyone?

In as far as a spirit being able to manifest on the physical plane and have intercourse, well, I find that ludicrous. I'm sorry but if thats the case then we would finally have something called physical evidence, dna samples and the like, so this, to me, is just tosh.

This story is pretty plain and simple, an unfortunate story of a disturbed young man who commited an act of arson, end of story. It fits patterns of so many other similar stories I have heard. I have a good friend who is a clinical psychologist, and would talk for hours about the different cases he's treated, including a man who was convinced that vampires really do walk the earth, and that he see's them everywhere, even though others cant...

Why does there have to be a supernatural reason to what this guy did, when its obvious that he needs professional help?
Emmeileia
I'm not saying it is true or not...just that the tradition is there, for whatever reason. I agree with you that in all likelyhood this particular guy is loopy and needs professional help.


Interesting spinoff...would ghosts or demons or what-have-you leave DNA were they to have sex with someone? I mean, if you are a dead, discorporate spirit, do you have DNA? I have read about cases of supposed ghost and demon rape where the victim was quite beat up afterwards. You make a good point, though, about victims blaming a demon rather than point out someone they know as the attacker.
Rosemary
QUOTE(Emmeileia @ Aug 16 2007, 12:31 PM) *
I'm not saying it is true or not...just that the tradition is there, for whatever reason. I agree with you that in all likelyhood this particular guy is loopy and needs professional help.
Interesting spinoff...would ghosts or demons or what-have-you leave DNA were they to have sex with someone? I mean, if you are a dead, discorporate spirit, do you have DNA? I have read about cases of supposed ghost and demon rape where the victim was quite beat up afterwards. You make a good point, though, about victims blaming a demon rather than point out someone they know as the attacker.


Ghosts or Spirits do not leave DNA because they are not in a Physical Body and therefore they do not produce saliva, semen, or Blood.

They can however appear in a body that appears very real if they so wish to and they are capable of many things.

Fortunately I have not come in contact with many Mean Spirits and the only ones I did come in Contact with were known to me before they died.

Luna
QUOTE(Gigan @ Aug 17 2007, 12:24 AM) *
I have a good friend who is a clinical psychologist, and would talk for hours about the different cases he's treated, including a man who was convinced that vampires really do walk the earth, and that he see's them everywhere, even though others cant...

Yikes that just worries me. I have friends/family mebers who have gone to see psychologists... I hope those psychologists aren't going around after a session blabbing about personal cases... I thought they were bound to keep cases confidential crying.gif

On topic: I think that if demon rape was for real, it'd be more about using sex as a control method, and getting gratification through the terror the victim experiences... but I can't see there being any DNA left behind. That would imply that a demon was able to reproduce...
I could make an ectoplasm joke here, but I won't.
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fiendo
eewww....Luna!gross.....
(but intriging topic, kids....)
Aliamaru
QUOTE(Luna @ Aug 16 2007, 09:44 PM) *
I could make an ectoplasm joke here, but I won't.
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eh heh heeeeewwwwwwww! unsure.gif
that would be wrong on sooo many levels. lol
Rosemary
I believe Spirit attacks at any level are rare, and normally its someone we have known before they died, and they may have a problem with that person or they may just not want to accept their death and let go of the Earth Plane so they refuse to leave and do what they are supposed to do and so they hang around and do the most despicable things in some cases.

When they latch on to someone whom they believe they have a grudge against they are not going to accept their death while someone they don't like or take issues with goes on with their life on Earth.

In many cases they just want to hang around and make that persons life miserable and they do very despicable things to that person knowing they will complain and try to tell others what is happening to them and few people will believe and instead they will begin giving them the old you need a therapist or medication and by doing that their fun is two fold, they have someone who knows they are alive but they can also torment that person and try to force them to tell others who don't believe and their joy is then even better.

The height of meanness is to enter a humans body and do terrible sexual things to them while they sleep so they can smile smugly and each time that person tells the story or they force them to do things through fear their satisfaction is just what they wanted.

In most cases the Evil Spirits frighten their prey to the point they act in fear and this can cause others to think they are imagining things when that person is just trying to tell someone what is happening to them.

The Spirit will make demands and try to tell their prey if they do what they tell them they will leave but quite often the demands they make are either harmful to others and or against the law and that is what the Evil Spirit wants most of all to get the human they are tormenting to do things that are not normal so they will get in trouble then if that happens they can finally realize their power over the human.

Sometimes these experiences are so frightening that the tormented human will do almost anything to get of the Evil Spirit out, in some cases the Guides will step in and make themselves known to the psychic Channell and they will be able to turn the tables on the Possessing Spirits and use them as teaching tools to tell others what to be aware of when they set out to Ghost Hunt because on rare occassions they might get into real trouble.
Gigan
QUOTE(Luna @ Aug 16 2007, 11:44 PM) *
Yikes that just worries me. I have friends/family mebers who have gone to see psychologists... I hope those psychologists aren't going around after a session blabbing about personal cases... I thought they were bound to keep cases confidential crying.gif



no no, your worrying too much here. Nothing was disclosed, just the nature of the dillusion, thats all. Dont panic! Confidentiality is a definite. yes.gif
Lily of the Lake
QUOTE(Emmeileia @ Aug 16 2007, 11:31 AM) *
I'm not saying it is true or not...just that the tradition is there, for whatever reason. I agree with you that in all likelyhood this particular guy is loopy and needs professional help.
Interesting spinoff...would ghosts or demons or what-have-you leave DNA were they to have sex with someone? I mean, if you are a dead, discorporate spirit, do you have DNA? I have read about cases of supposed ghost and demon rape where the victim was quite beat up afterwards. You make a good point, though, about victims blaming a demon rather than point out someone they know as the attacker.


Okay... This is an intresting idea.
But as Gigan said, could it be a cover up for an actual person,
say someone's father and they didn't want to get them in trouble?

I'm not trying to say this doesn't happen, it's just a bit hard to believe it.
fiendo
QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 18 2007, 10:02 AM) *
Okay... This is an intresting idea.
But as Gigan said, could it be a cover up for an actual person,
say someone's father and they didn't want to get them in trouble?

I'm not trying to say this doesn't happen, it's just a bit hard to believe it.

well, if we are to belive that ghosts/spirits are just like the person they had been in the flesh, why shouldnt they get horny?
there are many documented cases of "ghosts" becoming violent/poltergiest activity etc...
its funny though, i was wondering, could two ghosts get it on?....
or am i just wrong for even thinking so?
i have a story...later...
Lily of the Lake
QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 17 2007, 08:45 PM) *
well, if we are to belive that ghosts/spirits are just like the person they had been in the flesh, why shouldnt they get horny?
there are many documented cases of "ghosts" becoming violent/poltergiest activity etc...
its funny though, i was wondering, could two ghosts get it on?....
or am i just wrong for even thinking so?
i have a story...later...


Now that'd be hot!
Seeing Casper get it on with....um... any good female ghosts?
........some other random ghost and christina ricci!!! wow!!!
That'd sell.
fiendo
QUOTE(Lily of the Lake @ Aug 18 2007, 11:57 AM) *
Now that'd be hot!
Seeing Casper get it on with....um... any good female ghosts?
........some other random ghost and christina ricci!!! wow!!!
That'd sell.

Lily, you are one sick unit.
more so now that you are a Deity.
let me think about the christina ricci bit though......(but i wont tell you what i'm thinking, not for your young innocent ears!)
Chupa
QUOTE(Fordo @ Aug 18 2007, 02:06 AM) *
Lily, you are one sick unit.
more so now that you are a Deity.
let me think about the christina ricci bit though......(but i wont tell you what i'm thinking, not for your young innocent ears!)


blehhh...
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