Over the years I've heard many tales of Ed and Lorraine Warren. Some are convinced that they are genuine; others accuse them of being frauds.

What information do you have?

I've never actually heard of Ed and Lorraine Warren, but having looked them up it appears that they've had a long and distinguished career in the field of paranormal investigations and suchlike, among other things.

I suppose their genuinity can be somewhat influenced by your own opinions on spiritualist mediums, psychic abilities etc.

tales(depends on what you looking for) can be misleading. the debate over somebody claiming to be paranormal experts can be questioned...why' the proof factor.

Were they associated with the Amityville Horror case? The names sound familiar.

yep...thats them.

The 'Official Warrens Website' has quite a lot of information about them.

- Click Here -

In particular the "About the warrens" page contains an extensive background.

If they ARE frauds, though, I hardly think their website would be very objective.

(I'm not saying they're frauds...you get the idea.)

so you almost think they might be frauds...

All I'm saying is that I've heard rumors to the effect...

The 'Amityville Horror' keeps popping up as a suspected fraud...

facts can be misleading but' at same time can be real too.
only proof will being real facts.

They are known for a lot more than just the Amityville Horror, but because this place gets its bad press they do also. I am not saying they are genuine but some of the hauntings which they have been related to are pretty hard to debunk, because of the first hand accounts of them and the hauntings.

I find the warrens genuine iv read or seen most of there cases. I think there the most genuine ghost hunters iv ever seen. Especially the Annabelle case I found that very fascinating, so yes I believe there genuine. I read ed and Lorraine’s explanation to the rumours that Amityville was a hoax and found them very believable.

I think you have to view their findings and make up your own mind.Some of the investigations they have done are very believable.

I see the Warrens as nothing more than investigators of the paranormal. To that end I don't have a problem. What I do have a problem with is the whole 'demonology' slant they always seem to squeeze in somewhere. Ed apparently is one of the few 'recognised' demonologists by the Vatican (I believe). I find some of their statements on their site simply laughable. would probably give them a wiiide berth. Very suspicious IMO.

I haven't yet met the Warrens though I did meet John Zaffis who is really cool and helps out many ghost hunter/ investigators. I think Lorraine is the real deal though I'm not really sure about Ed, he just seems to think that most hauntings are demonic.

yep, someone has an unexplainable knocking sound heard, he would come along and tell them its a 7th level demon trying to possess them! (an exaggeration I know, but it seems that he always falls back on the demonic tag)

Sounds more like a dungeons and Dragons session!

LMAO yeah well said. I just find it odd how they can find so many demonic hauntings where some inverstigators find nil

I think you just answered your own question

Amityville has never been somethimg I hold to be true and I watched this thing on TV about the couple couldnt prove they were fakes though.

Heres something i found awhile back concerning the Warrens and a Dr.Stephen Kaplan....i thought this was interesting......heres another link concerning Dr.Kaplan as well.......

GRS--A Letter to the Warrens

Horror Or Hoax

I would like to see if the Warrens have any kind of comeback for that *hehehe*

The truth is a powerful weapon, they should start adopting that!

You have to admit that the Warrens do have interesting investigations. Annablle is pretty spooky

I wonder if, because they are quite spiritual with deep foundations in organized religion, causes people to be so skeptical of them?

Hi Mel, and welcome to the group!

I don't really think that their religious standpoint affects peoples views about them, a whole heck of a lot of people are religious and interested in the paranormal, I guess to a degree the subjects can go hand in hand. I think in the case of the Warrens it really is a case of evidence shown to prove that the Amityville case was a very cleverly constructed hoax, and that they swore blind to all the events going down there, does'nt really do too much for the reputation, especially on something that was and still is publicised on such a grand scale.

I urge people to read the letter to the Warrens link thats on this thread, it makes for very interesting reading!

I agree, Gigan--i have to say that i had seen the Warrens connected to other paranormal investigations before i even knew theyd been involved in the Amittyville case--Lorraine has always creeped me out.....i cant put my finger on exactly why, but she just does lol....i dont know, they could be genuine, but for the most part i think you hit it dead on, Gigan talking bout them 'swearing blind' to the events that happened there....I personally think that they saw the 'cash cow' that Amityville was destined to become, and has rode that sucker for all shes worth since---exposure......money.....book deals.....money.......talk shows.....more exposure.....more money.......movies....etc......(did i mention money?? LOL)

Yes but the guy who claimed that over and over...was also found to be quite a fraud himself...

The whole battle between George Lutz/Warrens and The other guys...(sorry can't remember thier name) is very he said/she said...I will say this...I've heard Lutz on many programs and read many interviews and whatnot...his story about what happened has never waivered..and he's even gone so far as filing suit against MGM for the recent MGM remake of Amityville...b/c it grossly was NOTHING like what they claim happen...

there's lots of good info and documents and stuff here...(and this is an official site)
http://www.amityvillehorrortruth.com/



Possibly b/c some people don't really believe that demons are harassing people and would like to chalk it up to a more benevolant spirit? Hell I've seen the harassment firsthand...in a non "haunted house" scenerio...and that's personal first hand experiance there...(i.e. I was the one harassed)...

When anyone writes about the Paranormal they are met with much skeptcism and its difficult to prove most of these things because most people can't see Ghosts and etc and so when someone tells a Story no one much believes.

I know first hand that Hauntings and Possessions are a true Reality but many people tell me to see a psychiatrist and or take a pill because its all in my head.

I've tried to tell my Story to someone who would believe for 20 years and no one much would believe and the ones who did just said tell them to go towards the light and or spinkle some salt around the peremiter of the house, burn sage and incense and find an Exiorcist.

The home remedies have not so far worked and finding someone who will perform an Exorcism is nigh impossible.

My Story is only to say things like the Amityville Horror and the Exorcist does happen and I'm sure some of the problems that keeps others from believing is the spin Hollywood puts on the situation to make money from it.

I am hoping with all the new interest in the Paranormal that people do begin to believe the truth about the Spirit world because while there are wonderful Angel Guides with good Information there are also spirits who get involved and fight for control of the Channel so they can each enlist the help of a Human to deliver their story of good or Evil.

When that happens there is much fighting on both sides for control of the Channel to Earth.
I only wish I were lucky enough to have investigators like the Warrens or someone like them to visit my home and hear my story and help me deal with it or at least help me convince the average person this can happen.

well im fixing to bring an old thread back! woooohoooooo
so anyways my opinion on ed and lorraine is i think they are pretty genuine, i read alot about them, and they are one of the few famous paranormal investagators that i have ever herd of, except now ed has joined the spirit world but ive always believed them and enjoyed watching and reading about them..... now as far as the amittyville case goes they actually dropped out of the investagation because there was so much fabrication going on, and all of it started with one of the reporters that came to the house, as far as i know ed and lorraine wanted nothing to do with that so they dropped out of it, they did say odd things happened that they couldnt explain, they had thought the house was haunted... just nothing even close to what it was being portayed as............ anyways just my opinion

i actually know about this case too, its pretty freaky, i had forgotten all about it until i read this thread i had herd of it years ago.......... funny thing is my daughter has a raggedy ann doll EXACTLEY like that! lol i will never look at that doll the same now! haha

I have visited the site mentioned above about the Amityville Horror.

I read the George Lutz interview partially and was particularly interested in the Story that the Killer Ronald Defeo Jr. tells.

He said that Demons appeared to him and put the Gun in his Hand.
I believe spirits did haunt him and tell him these things and they kept after him trying to get him to do these things and when they appeared to them in image showing him holding the Gun it it inspired him out of fear to follow their orders.

I personally have had Spirits appear to me and try to use this kind of influence over me right down to telling me that a Demon had taken over the body of a family member at a different location and told me that family member who was possessed by the Spirit of a Demon had beheaded my grandchildren.

I was at another location and you can't imagine the saddness and helplessness I felt at the prospect that this was true, but thank God I found out later it was not true and that the Evil Spirits had just told me that to cause me to suffer.

Before that the Evil Spirits had told me they could force me to pick up a Knife and kill other family members and I was so terrified that it might be true that I called a Psychiatrist and asked him to put me into a catholic hospital so I could have the resident priest perform an Exorcism which by the way didn't work. It was at this point that the Evil Spirits stepped in while I was trapped in the Hospital as a Patient and told me about the fictional beheading mentioned earlier.

At this point I prayed to God and Jesus and other Guides appeared to me and quieted me down and convinced me that Spirits can only frighten and cannot physically cause anyone to pick up a gun or knife and hurt others.

Since then I have had to suffer the attacks of the Evil Spirits but I know now they cannot physically cause me to hurt myself and others, but I do believe if the person is not strong or is easily influenced or they are brainwashed long enough the Evil Spirits might be capable of breaking that person down and in fact they may go as far as killing their family the way Ronald Defeo Jr., did.

I believe people who are harrassed by Evil Spirits should stay strong and never give into their demands and keep in mind that Spirits can tell you anything they want to and appear in the form of all sorts of frightening things but they cannot physically Pick up a Gun or Knife or any Weapon and have you use it against another.

They can however torment, and threaten and even cause pain if they become Possessing Spirits who enter the body of a person they are tormenting but they can't even then force that person to do anything they don't want to do.

The secret is take control of your Demons and let them know they cannot make you do anything and stick to it.
Strength lies in Education about these things and these things are still new to some and I also beleive the Press could sensationalize these things, but the truth is most people suffering at the hands of Evil Spirits don't seek publicity at all, all they want is for someone to believe what is happening to them, and try to help them deal with the situation.

At this point in time, the four Evil Spirits, one Dr. P. and three of them my Relatives are still inside my body where they have been sitting since l986 making my life unbearable on a daily basis but now I have the Upperhand and the only way out of my body is past a Spirit Who says he has the Power to destroy them at some point in time.

Hopefully one day I can prove this is true, but in the meantime I am still trying to talk them out of my body since they are my Realtives and Dr. P. people I knew when they walked the Earth.

They are stubborn and mean and unchangeable just as they were when they walked the Earth, and what their future holds in the Spirit World is anyones guess but whatever happens I am hopefully the Paranormal Investigators I have scheduled can pick them up on Cameras and Videos so I can prove they are here, and hopefully I don't turn this into another Amityville Horror because that is not what I want at all, all I want is for them to get out of my body and let me live in peace.

Oh, come now..where would you be without your friends possessing you? that is why you rather post after post the same story...a sure sign of schizophrenia...monotone repeating of the same thing..like quoting from a script.....and why cant you never answer a straight question? or more to the point..why do i bother to ask? i know i'll never get a sensible answer...maybe some abuse, or an excuse"it wasnt me, it was Dr P"
the spirits wouldnt let me...blah blah blah....many a kind person here has offered help, but you are not really wanting help are? no i think not...in fact, i have found other sites where you express the desire to hurt others, go on TV..etc etc....as you continue to hijack threads here with your wonderful storys.
you are not possessed, you have an illness. you need to see a doctor.
no doubt you will respond to this with some nasty comments to me...or the same scripted bit of insanity you post every where else.
If my post here gets me into trouble, i dont care....you dont want help..you just want an audience.....
please head straight to the nearest hospital.....before you drive us all insane.

Oh, damn. forgot to add...Ed Warren...claims to be a certified Demonologist..by the Vatican no less..lol.....thats a laugh..the Vatican doesnt exactly run courses in the stuff..and the only people who get "certified" by the vatican are members of its clergy.
Easy to make such a claim , though, as the catholic church will be loath to comment on such matters.
ugh!

Do you feel better now Fordo?

It's good to get these things off your chest!

I believe you may be suffering from fear that these things may be true and in order to try to make yourself feel safe you try to discredit stories like mine and take the attitude that ignorance is bliss and if you don't believe it then it won't be true.

But how do you really feel behind the scenes when you enter a dark house by yourself or a dark room.

How about when you settle into your snug dark bedroom at night, do you pull the covers up over your head and then peer about the darkened room?

Sometimes if you let your eyes become accustomed to the dark and peer really hard you can sometimes see strange things zipping across the ceiling and they can take all sorts of shapes, and once in a while if you get a really mean spirit like George he can stand by the bed in the shape of the man he was when he walked the earth and plunge an imaginary knife into my chest and I can hear the thud and feal the pain.

Its also possible for him to stand by the bed and take the form of the Devil and do a rape scene and its just as real as if someone dragged you into the alley and violated the person.

When George walked the Earth he was my Father and now he is doing these terrible things because one of the Guides claimed to have the power to destroy him and George said its a damned lie and if its not why doesn't that Guide prove it by proving he can kill him and end my suffering.

When I learn the answer to that I'll be sure to write about it.
Hopefully you don't have any mean, spiteful dead realtives like mine?

sorry rosemary....I may well have some spiteful dead relos out for my blood..but too bad for them if they come knocking at my door after midnight...
and i'm very comfortable in the darkness...in fact..i like the dark..and all that dwell in it.
each time you post i feel just a little bit sadder.....for you.

Actually, i think most of my relatives that have died, were in fact friends ...they are welcome to visit anytime

Amen to that. I have never seen a ghost or anything like that, but I would be interested to hear from some of my wise old relations who have passed on the the next world.

When my realtives walked the earth they were nice and when they died I was sad, but once they got to the Spirit World they say things weren't exactly what they expected and they said over the years as they read some of the things written about how there is a power in the after life who has dominance over them they decided to set out to prove it and when the Guides appeared to work in peace with me they decided to become evil spirits and try to force them to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they have dominace over them.

So far no one in the Spirit World has proven to my satisfaction that they can talk or force a Spirit from a Human Body but what happen to them once they leave my body is still open to proving.

Maybe its just the effect you have on people rosemary...

Too true Greygoat... I've often thought the same thing!

Welcome home, Sir Chase.

This may sound strange but you can beam thoughts to the Spirit World to certain people and you might be able to make contact that way.

Or if you suddenly find yourself thinking about a deceased family member and reminiscing about old times, they could actually be there with you at that time communicating with you by bringing up old memories.

If this happens often you might try writing on a writing pad and talk to them this way and tell them you have a feeling they are trying to communicate and if they are you would like them to try to communicate with you in your dreams.

This may be the first step to open up a line of communication and once you do this the rest will be easy and once the flow of information begins there will no doubt others be in communication because those in the Spirit World move cautiously so as not to frighten those who are afraid of the dead.

I have heard of many stories along these lines. For instance, someone is daydreaming about a lost loved one, and then the lights start flickering. Or your thinking of a lost loved one while driving, and suddenly the radio plays a song that was their favorite..or played at your wedding...or was "your" song. That kind of stuff. It does seem at times that ghosts can sense thoughts and maybe try to say "Hey, I'm here.". We haven't really be taught to watch for signs like that, so who knows. There may be lots of things that they do to try to get our attention that we just shrug off as coincidence. Of course, there's always the chance that it is just coincidence.

Yes thats one of the reasons I am writing some of these things so people will begin to take notice of some of these things and maybe by doing that they can let the Spirits know they can show themselves to them if they choose to.

I've heard the Amtyville case is fake, are they fakes? I think there genuine.

It was all a pre-fabricated story to make money, they all admited to plotting the story and everything....

it reminds me of "Blair Witch" somehow...hahaha