[Ghost Investigator]

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 04:29 AM, said:

I don't need a doctor I need an exorcist but that is impossible since people like you keep talking like this to someone who is trying to share in response to the person who began this thread.

If I could only get these four to leave my body and come over and show you what its like and not to be threatening but to just have them convince you that these things are real.

People who are teaching those just getting started about the paranormal who give them polyanna stories like you and some others do does not prepare them for the darker side of delving in the paranormal.

You and others like you are the reason progress is not being made in the investigating of the paranormal, and trying to make everyone on the other side of death either angels or demons is not realistic.

The guides who claimed to have the power to destroy them and have kept them trapped in my body with the fear of death all these years without actually doing or being able to do it are not helping at all and I think others should be warned about Guides who give people a song and dance about what power they have and prove nothing are the ones who need to be taken out behind the smoke house and given a good whaling.

And believe me the Bible is not helping to educate anyone as to the things I have learned from spirit communication.

One of the reasons my relatives have done this and tried to destroy the work the Guides were doing through me is beacuse one of them keeps saying he can destroy them and has written the same thing through others and has not proven anything so far.

I dont share "dark side" stories as i havnet experienced anything like you in my 14+ years of active paranormal investigations and a life long interest in it (I'm 43, so we'll say 35 years conservatively of being aware of ghosts) and having grown up in a haunted house.

Neither do you prepare anyone for the darker side Rosemary. All you do is tell the same stories over and over and over with little variation in what appears to be a pitiful attempt at seeking attention to me. You change up your stories or narrative a bit to suit the topic but otherwise it's the same dribble. You contradict yourself all the time...I'm wasting my time, you wont understand just like I wont ever understand you.

I didnt say you need a doctor...I said you need "help"...."Professional help". that could be an exorcism, doctor, blessing...whatever you may feel best suits your need, and there is a need.

[Rosemary]

Ghost Investigator, on May 13 2008, 03:38 PM, said:

I dont share "dark side" stories as i havnet experienced anything like you in my 14+ years of active paranormal investigations and a life long interest in it (I'm 43, so we'll say 35 years conservatively of being aware of ghosts) and having grown up in a haunted house.

Neither do you prepare anyone for the darker side Rosemary. All you do is tell the same stories over and over and over with little variation in what appears to be a pitiful attempt at seeking attention to me. You change up your stories or narrative a bit to suit the topic but otherwise it's the same dribble. You contradict yourself all the time...I'm wasting my time, you wont understand just like I wont ever understand you.

I didnt say you need a doctor...I said you need "help"...."Professional help". that could be an exorcism, doctor, blessing...whatever you may feel best suits your need, and there is a need.

You will be happy to know I read a news story this morning which says the Vatican has said its alright for Catholics to believe in Alien Life.

They appear to be taking a more scientific approach and have declared that believing this way does not rule out our belief in God and a Creator.

To me it means that we are going to accept life after death acknowledges that our relatives live beyond Earth and soon we may actually accept that Demons may be the Spirits of our angry relatives and others who are back to tell people they are alive and sometimes they still have issues with those still here on the Earth Plane.

People who have been brutally murdered and some who haven't may still see people here on earth that they want to come after to right old scores and just because you have not experienced it does not mean its not true.

Perhaps the people you have made contact with are nice spirits and that is great but don't you think others who are going out there to beat the bush to smoke out life after death needs to know and share all the experiences with everyone and keep an open mind?

I am here to try to figure out how to solve a problem like I have and at this point in time all I have is a threat against them from a man who says he is the master of the Universe but so far all it is, is a threat and I am waiting for him to prove he has control over these four and if he doesn't I want to know how a priest will deal with them if I ever find one, and or can he actually drive them out, scientifically speaking.

This is about research and proof not some polliania thoughts that have been out there but some real proof that there is a power up there who can solve the problem otherwise its only threats and lip service.

This post has been edited by Rosemary: 14 May 2008 - 08:36 AM

[Rosemary]

Titania, on May 13 2008, 07:19 AM, said:

Why would they try to kill you or make you have a car wreck? It seems to me they are quite happy using your body Rosemary, after all they have been there 20 years right?

Surely if they wanted to kill you they would have, or with the protection of this guide they have to admit now that they cannot do that. Or are we to understand they can cause you to lose physical strength, extreme pain but nothing worse. If this "guide" can keep them away why doesn't he/she?

You are not invisible and if you read all of my posts, I am trying to answer your questions and others.

I believe anyone who delves in the paranormal should not go into it as an innocent the way I did, and end up with a situation like I have.

When I first began to do this I had only what others had written to go on and as a baptist taught girl I expect that a big powerful God was up there that I could pray to and no harm would come to me.

Then when I began to deal with not only my realtives but the Guides they all told me what they wanted to and my realtives said most of the things I had been told were not true and they set out to tell me their side of the story and the Guides had another version.

Now I sit here with three of my realtives holding down the fort so to speak with the aid of Dr. P. who was a Psychiatrist when he walked the earth and they say they are going to make liars out of the Guides who have said they have the power to destroy them when they leave my body if they don't come under their control.

My problem now is my three relatives and Dr. P. say no one in the universe can destroy them yet they are afraid to come out and prove this and to cover up their fear they get meaner and more brutal towards me each day.

Scientifically speaking how does one who has my problem solve it?

If I could find one, could a priest or deliverance minister actually conduct some sort of a ritual which would bring them out of my body?

At this point in time I believe the Guide who claims to have the power to destroy them should now have to prove it, but his way of dealing with the situation is to say its too danerous to me to attempt to destroy them and he must now either talk them out or wait until they crawl out of my dead body.

I am at this time telling these four they have no proof one way or the other that anyone can destroy them but we also can't prove that he can't so my solution to them is they need to leave my body quietly without giving in and once outside my body they can decide how far they want to go with others to prove their point.

I have said once out they can decide if they want to force his hand and if they do they can start by going to visit our relatives who don't believe this is happening to me and see how far they want to go.

Do they want to see if they know they are in their homes, do they want to come into their dreams and see if they can detect them or do they want to go further, and do whatever they feel safe in doing to make believers out of them and we will call this research and in search of the truth and I will continue to write to tell the world what we believe we have proven.

I am now a trail blazer in search of the truth and I must tell the world how this all plays out.

This post has been edited by Rosemary: 14 May 2008 - 09:02 AM

[Gigan]

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

You will be happy to know I read a news story this morning which says the Vatican has said its alright for Catholics to believe in Alien Life.

They appear to be taking a more scientific approach and have declared that believing this way does not rule out our belief in God and a Creator.

To me all this says is that less and less people are buying their stories of hell and brimstone, and are trying their hardest to keep hold of the sheep they already have. With man exploring the stars, its only a matter of time before we realize that.

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

People who have been brutally murdered and some who haven't may still see people here on earth that they want to come after to right old scores and just because you have not experienced it does not mean its not true.

...and likewise, just becuse you have allegedly experienced it does not make it necessarily true either Rosemary. Time and time again, people on this board, and the myriad of others that you frequent have asked you for proof. I am not on about personal experiences, as they are exactly that, personal. Show us some cold hard evidence, then you'll probably get people actually taking time out to listen to what you have to say. There are so many threads and replies on here (and elsewhere) where you are repeating the same thing almost word perfect. Do you see why people may get a little dispondent?

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

Perhaps the people you have made contact with are nice spirits and that is great but don't you think others who are going out there to beat the bush to smoke out life after death needs to know and share all the experiences with everyone and keep an open mind?

They are trying to keep an open mind Rosemary, they are just done with reading pages and pages of the same thing over and over.

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

I am here to try to figure out how to solve a problem like I have and at this point in time all I have is a threat against them from a man who says he is the master of the Universe but so far all it is, is a threat and I am waiting for him to prove he has control over these four and if he doesn't I want to know how a priest will deal with them if I ever find one, and or can he actually drive them out, scientifically speaking.

If this is the case, why is he 'hiding' in you? see, this is what I don't get, if he is so powerful, why is he allegedly doing things the way he is? And a priest 'scientifically' driving out the spirits? can anyone else see the contradiction in that sentence, or was I reading it wrong?

Rosemary, on May 14 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

This is about research and proof not some polliania thoughts that have been out there but some real proof that there is a power up there who can solve the problem otherwise its only threats and lip service.

Yes it is, and so far, we have been presented with none.

[Ghost Investigator]

Rosemary, either you believe in the bible and religion or you dont. quit vasilating between the two different view points and make up your mind if you can and then stick to that story and make your arguments.

I personally dont care what the vatican says and I"m neither happy nor unhappy what they have to say as I dont give a rats @$$ about religion personally as it's a man made concept to deal with the fear of death, in my opinion, to comfort one when they're faced with their own mortality. Your delusions of grandeur and self thought greather than thou attitude and statements mean NOTHING to me. I'm just tired of your same "evidence" over and over and over, especially as you always aim your comments (or mostly aim them) at the new members here because us "old" folks (not ALL of us but alot of us) dont pay much attention to you.

Try FREE THINKING and come up with your OWN ideas on what is real and what is not. Dont blame Dr P and the spirits for stuff. Give statements about what YOU believe and then give examples of why you believe that. We're tired...let me rephrase that....I am tired of (i wont speak for everyone else) of hearing about Dr. P and the spirits in your head and the battles you've fought for 24 years (which by now should have been won I would think.....but what do I know).

If you dont want to free think or try to talk about anything else other than what you always post about (Doctor P and the other spirits that are trying to kill you) then we're done. we'll never see eye to eye.

You've had these issues for 20-something years....you need help.

This post has been edited by Ghost Investigator: 14 May 2008 - 03:07 PM

[Wyvvern]

Ghost Investigator, on May 14 2008, 06:54 AM, said:

Rosemary, either you believe in the bible and religion or you dont. quit vasilating between the two different view points and make up your mind if you can and then stick to that story and make your arguments.

I personally dont care what the vatican says and I"m neither happy nor unhappy what they have to say as I dont give a rats @$$ about religion personally as it's a man made concept to deal with the fear of death, in my opinion, to comfort one when they're faced with their own mortality. Your delusions of grandeur and self thought greather than thou attitude and statements mean NOTHING to me. I'm just tired of your same "evidence" over and over and over, especially as you always aim your comments (or mostly aim them) at the new members here because us "old" folks (not ALL of us but alot of us) dont pay much attention to you.

Try FREE THINKING and come up with your OWN ideas on what is real and what is not. Dont blame Dr P and the spirits for stuff. Give statements about what YOU believe and then give examples of why you believe that. We're tired...let me rephrase that....I am tired of (i wont speak for everyone else) of hearing about Dr. P and the spirits in your head and the battles you've fought for 24 years (which by now should have been won I would think.....but what do I know).

If you dont want to free think or try to talk about anything else other than what you always post about (Doctor P and the other spirits that are trying to kill you) then we're done. we'll never see eye to eye.

You've had these issues for 20-something years....you need help.

Ok, here goes... at the risk of seeming a little harsh (not my intention), Rosemary's words are getting a little monotonous (sp)and overplayed; people who have real questions and need current advice etc, seem to get drowned out by off-topic text. Its not fair to new users who have questions they need help with to be overwritten or drowned out by repetition that really doesnt pertain to their queries.

[Ghost Investigator]

True and good point however she always sends posts off topic with her monotonous posts and I'm tired of it. It's my opinion (and no offense intended to the mods here in any way shape or form) that she should have been banned a long time ago but she's permitted to stay and keep up with the same old same old for whatever reason.

Everyone wants to ignore it and let her be but I dont and I dont want the newbies, the ones she pays most attention to and the ones that pay most attention to her, to be significantly influenced by her repetitive nonsensical postings.

I'm done, I've said enough and maybe too much, but someone had to

[Wyvvern]

Ghost Investigator, on May 14 2008, 08:29 AM, said:

True and good point however she always sends posts off topic with her monotonous posts and I'm tired of it. It's my opinion (and no offense intended to the mods here in any way shape or form) that she should have been banned a long time ago but she's permitted to stay and keep up with the same old same old for whatever reason.

Everyone wants to ignore it and let her be but I dont and I dont want the newbies, the ones she pays most attention to and the ones that pay most attention to her, to be significantly influenced by her repetitive nonsensical postings.

I'm done, I've said enough and maybe too much, but someone had to

Fully agreed, here.

[Gigan]

No, you're both right, and fair in your words. It is not my place or within my capability to ban someone, and only the worst perpetrators actually get canned.

At the beginning of this thread, Rosemary actually did the noble thing and just posted a comment with links to her web pages chronicling her affliction. This is fine, but I do not want to see pages and pages of the same thing regurgitated over and over, this actually constitutes as spamming and we all know how much I hate that.

I thought about locking this thread, but I believe that there could be some very useful information added to the discussion, so I will leave it open. I will, however, give it a first and final warning, that if I see more of whats already been posted on these 2 pages, it gets locked down. Rosemary, maybe you could have a link in your signature that links to your story and you can reference people to that instead of keep posting the same information over and over. Not only will that save the eyes of the readers on here, but it will also let people decide for themselves if they want to read about your accounts.

Gigan

[Saru]

Rosemary I think i've discussed this with you before, private message coming your way.

Apologies to all, lets get back to the original topic.

[Ghost Investigator]

Sorry Gigan, sorry Saru. Sorry to the OP (original poster) of this thread for derailing it

[enigma]

Back on topic

I've had a few encounters with spirits that want to tug on my hair.

They've always been gentle about and I never felt that I had anything to fear.

[Wyvvern]

enigma, on May 21 2008, 08:20 AM, said:

Back on topic

I've had a few encounters with spirits that want to tug on my hair.

They've always been gentle about and I never felt that I had anything to fear.

Right. It's just a "Pay attention to me" type of thing.

[SUPERKICK]

What about some of the rumoured violent ghosts? Why would they want to hurt people they dont/didnt have any business with?

[Ghost Investigator]

Can you be more specific?

You could be talking about poltergeist activity in which a person may be hurt by a physical object affected by some kind of spirit energy but I dont think that is the main point of the question. i think they're asking about a ghost directly, by "himself" hurting someone.

[Ρåŋ]

Ghost Investigator, on May 26 2008, 06:27 PM, said:

You could be talking about poltergeist activity in which a person may be hurt by a physical object affected by some kind of spirit energy but I dont think that is the main point of the question. i think they're asking about a ghost directly, by "himself" hurting someone.

But aren't poltergeists considered a sub category of ghosts? I mean the word itself means angry ghost.

Therefore if any interaction (scratching, throwing stuff etc) with the physical is classed as poltergeist activity then is this the same as a "ghost" hurting you?

But if a poltergeist is NOT the same as a ghost then by definition a "ghost" can't hurt you... only a poltergeist can!

And before you say it... yes i am playing semantics!

[Ghost Investigator]

There are lots of ideas on what a poltergeist is as well as what a ghost is.

Poltergeist is german for Noisy Spirit, yes, but other than similar words, thats about where it ends.

I wont bog down the thread with a derailed definition but below is a link which talks in great detail about ghosts and poltergeists written by Pat Fitzhugh, expert and author about The Bell Witch.

DEFINITIONS AND DISCUSSIONS

I guess the OP needs to be more specific with the question

[Ρåŋ]

Ghost Investigator, on May 27 2008, 05:12 PM, said:

I wont bog down the thread with a derailed definition but below is a link which talks in great detail about ghosts and poltergeists written by Pat Fitzhugh, expert and author about The Bell Witch.

DEFINITIONS AND DISCUSSIONS

Thanks very much for the link. Its always good to have a definition handy.

But for the sake of continuing on with the thread shall we say the real question is can a spirit use its energy to hurt someone living.

Just throwing my own two cents in on this topic... i do believe that spirit energies can touch or interact with us on a very limitted level so what is there to say that they can't hurt us? If your in the pyschical and you can hold someones hand you can equally smack them around the head, its entirely the persons perogative. Why should be loose our ability to make decisions over how we act after we're dead?

[Fantailmoon]

i believe they can harm....i have been what felt like slapped across the face..this was in a very bad situation and was not what i would call a very nice entity....there have in my experience been a few things happen to me...where i could have been hurt quite badly...so in my opinion i do believe they have the capabilities..it is just very rare..fee x

[Curious]

If they can gather enough energy to move objects, why wouldn't they be able to cause humans harm?

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Why should be loose our ability to make decisions over how we act after we're dead?

Or, in the case of an intelligent haunting, our personality for that matter. I think it's a question of choice rather than ability.