[Laura]

It saddens me to see the direction the paranormal field has taken. Somehow, compassion has been lost & the dead have become a greater priority than the living. Many paranormal investigators are too blinded by their own personal quest to see what’s right in front of them, the people involved who are suffering. Families are driven apart, others are forced to give up everything they own just to get away, (which isn’t guaranteed) & some are driven to suicide because they perceive death as their only means of escape. Often, investigations cause the phenomena to worsen & those directly involved are left to pick up the pieces of what used to be their life.

The current mind-set needs to change. Some investigators can’t grasp the magnitude of a negative haunting due to inexperience & that’s understandable. However if we merely gather evidence without attempting to help those who suffer, we contribute to the problem & are no better than the tormentor itself.

[SammyTerry]

You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.

Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?

Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.

[Aliamaru]

As exciting as the prospect of life after death is, I would have to agree with Laura.

People have become too wrapped up in discovering and gathering evidence of ghosts/spirits, that the living have been left by the wayside.

If a location is truly haunted, its the people who are living in that location who should be a priority, they are the ones who endure the happenings on a daily/nightly basis, not the paranormal investigators.

More should be done and taken into consideration for the people who live in haunted locations, an after-care program should be implemented to ensure the physical/mental/emotional wellbeing of these individuals.

Any good ideas, because not all methods are accepted by all people, you'd have t find something that the people would be comfortable with.

[Laura]

The group I belong to gathers scientific evidence however they do not cleanse houses, (it is something I do independently). To be perfectly honest with you I don’t cleanse houses. In my opinion, God cleanses them & I am merely an instrument. Phenomena of a demonic origin will require immediate intervention by the clergy.

Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.

SammyTerry, on Dec 8 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.

Laura...with your experience ( or any other GM members who do paranormal investigating )
what do you do when a client has a serious problem..? is this something you or your group can help with,
or do you seek help elsewhere when a home or property wants to get rid of any paranormal activity..?

Is there any kind of counseling a family can get when they have been traumatized by a haunting..?
These are things most of us here probably never even thought much about.

[SUPERKICK]

I agree with the points made too. But I think that a big reason why the living are ignored over the dead is that many people still need to convince themselves on the existence of ghosts. More effort is put into investigating them and trying to make people believe in their existence. Caring about what effects they leave on people comes afterwards....not saying how it should be, just saying how it is right now.

[Laura]

The welfare of the living shouldn't come as an afterthought.

SUPERKICK, on Dec 9 2007, 12:22 PM, said:

But I think that a big reason why the living are ignored over the dead is that many people still need to convince themselves on the existence of ghosts. More effort is put into investigating them and trying to make people believe in their existence. Caring about what effects they leave on people comes afterwards.

[SUPERKICK]

Yup thats what I was saying, it shouldnt be that way but unfortunately it is.

[*LITTLE dreamer*]

Laura, on Dec 9 2007, 05:48 AM, said:

The group I belong to gathers scientific evidence however they do not cleanse houses, (it is something I do independently). To be perfectly honest with you I don’t cleanse houses. In my opinion, God cleanses them & I am merely an instrument. Phenomena of a demonic origin will require immediate intervention by the clergy.

Unfortunately, victims will be hard pressed to find legitimate support groups. However, I intend to establish a non profit group specifically geared towards helping those afflicted by negative hauntings.

Wow, well said laura, God only use us and you as instuments to help him support the world.
How do you clean houses by the way?
I don't really agree that too many people just focus on the dead, But they rather get too psycho about it and forget the reason why stuff are happening with them.
Perhaps not everything is hauntings, but spirits that try to give the living messages!

[Laura]

My post refers to negative hauntings, not messages from spirits. Each haunting varies & I’d rather not divulge the techniques used, (for the same reason exorcism rites are kept secretive). If they were utilized by someone inexperienced in the wrong place at the wrong time, it could cause more harm than good.

little dreamer**, on Dec 10 2007, 05:22 AM, said:

Wow, well said laura, God only use us and you as instuments to help him support the world.
How do you clean houses by the way?
I don't really agree that too many people just focus on the dead, But they rather get too psycho about it and forget the reason why stuff are happening with them.
Perhaps not everything is hauntings, but spirits that try to give the living messages!

[Zeus]

Laura, may I know a case in which you saw an inexperienced investigator suicide because of inexperience towards a negative haunting? I find that interesting.

[Laura]

I was referring to those who have lived in haunted locations & committed suicide, not paranormal investigators.

Zeus, on Dec 11 2007, 09:23 AM, said:

Laura, may I know a case in which you saw an inexperienced investigator suicide because of inexperience towards a negative haunting? I find that interesting.

[Zeus]

oh ok lol

[Gigan]

SammyTerry, on Dec 8 2007, 02:37 PM, said:

You make some very good points there Laura, I had often wondered what Paranormal groups do afterwords.
Seeing many TAPS episodes where they tell the family or whomever that they'll come back if needed or try to help rid them of their problem,
But have only seen an episode or two where one of the team did a cleansing.
.

I think (to a degree, a small one at that) the paranormal investigator has to have a little bit of a 'guidance councellor' aspect to them anyway. In my opinion, an investigator turning up to a place and telling the client they are there to 'take care of the problem' is the worst thing you can do, period. Sure, you are there to try and investigate alleged hauntings, but the primary concern should be to comfort the client, but most importantly to LISTEN to them and offer them support and guidance. You would be suprised how much it can help a client just knowing that there are those people out there that are on their side and are willing to help. All you can really do is be a sympathetic ear and try and help them to understand what is going on. This, though, is where I think the line needs to be drawn. If there is reason to believe that the problem is not paranormal, and may be psychological, medical or otherwise then that needs to be dealt with by someone in the appropriate field.

My 2 cents.

[SammyTerry]

Well said "G"...
I would imagine one would be hard pressed to actually find some kind of counceling in they have been traumatized by a haunting,
thats where a paranormal team should be able to offer some kind of support.
Confirming a place IS haunted would do little to help a family if they have been living in fear.
Perhaps some Investigative teams have a Human resources person to help with such things..?

[fiendo]

just curious, i was wondering about the driven to suicide bit.....i havent read of any actuall cases of this..
would someone care to give an example?

[Rosemary]

How does one determine what is going on if they have little experience with possessions and the like?

How does one determine whether I have four Spirits sitting inside my body tearing violently day and night at my brain and entrals and crawling in and out of my body at will if no one can see them or hear them?

I suppose the investigators could bring a medium and talk to them and verify this if they were brave enough but I have yet to contact a Paranormal Invesigative Group who was willing to do this, usually they just respond and say they don't know how to deal with situations like this.

For example the possessing spirits are growing meaner and more vicious each and every day and now the Guides who were here have just about stopped appearing and in the beginning they were here writing and giving all sorts of information, including telling these four they will die if they are inside my body when I die, but who is going to be here on the computer to prove that.

No I think perhpas there is no one in the Universe who can actually force spirits from a human body and if that is true then I am asking myself could there be others who are having my problem?

I think my only solution now is to tell Paranormal Investigators they may be safe if they meet only friendly ghosts, but if they meet up with benovalent spirits like my three realtives and Dr. Petas they could have them stiting inside their body abusing them until the day they die and no one will ever believe their story.

The only satisfaction I have now is I have put Dr. Petas name out here for the whole world to point a finger at and his wife and son are somewhere in the Universe watching his behaviour and he is now trapped and troo scared to come out and confront the Guide who claims to have the power to destroy him if he doesn't repent and go in peace.

Since Dr. Petas is sitting right here as I write I would ask him how do you wish to address this challenge now?

Do you wish to bring your friends and climb out of my body or do you wish to continue to make an ass out of yourself in front of your wife and son who are watching your antics from a Higher Realm in the Spirit World?

You were right when you said no one on earth would believe, but now that your wife and son are in the Spirit World we both know they are watching you and so are you more afraid of God or your Wife?

Will Dr. Petas now leave my body and join his wife and son in the Spirit World or will he continue to make an Ass out of himself as he has been doing since he went to the Spirit World angry at his death.

I had nothing to do with that and he knows it and he needs to get over it.
Dr. Petas is now known as an Evil Demon.

[Fantailmoon]

Gigan, on Dec 11 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

I think (to a degree, a small one at that) the paranormal investigator has to have a little bit of a 'guidance councellor' aspect to them anyway. In my opinion, an investigator turning up to a place and telling the client they are there to 'take care of the problem' is the worst thing you can do, period. Sure, you are there to try and investigate alleged hauntings, but the primary concern should be to comfort the client, but most importantly to LISTEN to them and offer them support and guidance. You would be suprised how much it can help a client just knowing that there are those people out there that are on their side and are willing to help. All you can really do is be a sympathetic ear and try and help them to understand what is going on. This, though, is where I think the line needs to be drawn. If there is reason to believe that the problem is not paranormal, and may be psychological, medical or otherwise then that needs to be dealt with by someone in the appropriate field.

My 2 cents.

i agree with you that you have to have some form of guidance counciling background, i myself have done several courses in counciling and this is most deffinately needed when helping the living after and around what can be such a traumatic event, such as a haunting of any kind especially the violent type.

[Laura]

I also agree.

fantailmoon, on Dec 13 2007, 12:35 PM, said:

i agree with you that you have to have some form of guidance counciling background, i myself have done several courses in counciling and this is most deffinately needed when helping the living after and around what can be such a traumatic event, such as a haunting of any kind especially the violent type.

[fiendo]

this thread and others along a similar vein of "Demonic entitys" have me needing to ask the question: how common is such things?
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..


could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..

[Laura]

Surely you cannot be referring to me my dear Fordo. I've been very specific in various threads regarding the dangers of ouija boards, demons, & the reason why I won't go into detail regarding cleansing techniques.

Demonic infestations are rare & it would be highly inappropriate for me to share the names of those involved considering they wish to remain anonymous. I cannot & will not betray their trust therefore I suggest using google or ask.com to satisfy your curiosity.

Perhaps it is a misunderstanding on my part but your comment seems to be slightly condescending. I certainly hope that isn’t the case because I’ve shown you the utmost respect.

Fordo, on Dec 14 2007, 04:45 PM, said:

this thread and others along a similar vein of "Demonic entitys" have me needing to ask the question: how common is such things?
we have:
familys(plural)driven apart
giving up every thing they own just to get away
driven to suicide
mention of the "demonic"
and that exorcism rites are kept secretive..(for our own protection)
some other threads have warnings ,dire warnings mind, that spirits and demons are ready and waiting to pounce(and how i will be in danger if i so much glance at the oiuja board
and much mentions of cleansings...
yet details remain sketchy..or little information is given..


could any one provide links to some of these dramatic sounding cases?i'm curious..