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[Rosemary]

Recently there has been much coverage of the high suicide rate among returning soldiers from the War Zone.. . I feel that some of these people may be haunted by the Spirits of their Dead Comrades and possibly even the Spirits of some of their victims or oppossing forces in the War Zone.. . Its possible some of these soldiers might be possessed by the sad spirits of others whom have died that they were near.. . Say for example a soldier or even one of the iraqi's they are in battle with suddenly were killed and the Spirit popped out of their body and shockingly found themselves in the Spirit World looking down at their body and they grabbed the first body they saw and entered it.. . This does happen and when it does the spirit of the dead still in shock at their death would be sad and crying and depressed and this could affect the thoughts of the person whose body they took over.. . Eventually in some cases after a time the Spirit realizes they have died and will get out of the body they have temporarily entered and adjust to their new Life in the Spirit World, but more often than we think the Spirit of the Dead will try to hang onto that body as long as they can and if they do only an Exorcism and counseling by someone who deals with this sort of situation can talk the Spirit out of the Body.. . I think if more people believed in these things some of these soldiers lives might be saved if they would just flatly refuse to commit suicide or whatever the invading spirit is telling them to do.. . The invading Spirit could be trying to get a friend to leave their body and come join them in the afer life so they won't have to be alone.. . Psychoanalyst Edith Fiore who helped those who were possessed in her Medical practice wrote about some of these things happening to soldiers who returned from world war II and said sometimes people are possessed for years and don't even know it.. . She says its only by counseling the possessed and the invading spirit that this can be fixed, when the therapist talks the invading spirit into accepting their death and leave the Earthlings Body.. . Many forward thinking Psychiatrists are beginning to believe that Multiple Personalities are really Spirit Possessions, and they believe its only by counseling these various personalities that they can get the spirits of the dead to accept their death and give up the body they are trying to commadeer.. . Its time we all accept the power of the Dead and realize they are capable of these things, and I think the reason most of us reject it is the truth might just be to frightening for the faint of heart to accept.. Yesterday someone suggested I start a thread discussing these things and this morning one of my Guides in the afterlife chose this subject to do that with.

Edited by Rosemary, 14 November 2007 - 07:45 AM.

[{MoG} Blue Screen of Death]

or maybe just maybe...I don't know..... Its possible that they are traumatize by the events they saw because I far as I know of no one has been able to forget about someones body that you know beign blown to bits and getting covered in there blood while being shot at and hearing screams of terror......but thats my opinon

[wowy]

i think the master there has a very valid point. i dont think posession is as rife as you think rosemary. . . before you do the whole youre an ignorant unbeleiver playing into their hands rigmarole I'll tell you why i think that:. . . I don't beleive that posession is impossible but i do think that most soldiers are prepared for death, besides if you beleive life contimues after death then surely there'd be extra 'help' for those souls of the dead when they are dying in such circumstances. . . Besides i find your blame everything on posession stance as rigid and implausible as saying that nobody has a soul and nothing is unexplainable....

[Zeus]

or maybe just maybe...I don't know..... Its possible that they are traumatize by the events they saw because I far as I know of no one has been able to forget about someones body that you know beign blown to bits and getting covered in there blood while being shot at and hearing screams of terror......but thats my opinon

.Yes master of geeks.. just put it this way....Picture yourself being an ethical soldier.. and seeing one of your soldier partners mis-treat civilians in a strange land.. to the point where they shoot'em.. to the point where they listen to the radio while killing them... and you hate it.. and you do nothing about it.. or else youll get shot or sent to prison....That's the kind of stuff they don't train you for before sending you to those countries, Big reason to live with guilt and wanting to suicide.

[fiendo]

ethical soldier?. soldiers are men who train to kill...thats the job, you do the job..... stupid people deny that the human beast doesnt commit crimes when justified by a government,and there fore brands them criminal, or hero.... gah, enough....

[{MoG} Blue Screen of Death]

"Love thy soldier hate the war" . . Its their job and hey they didn't want to get killed or kill now would they

[Zeus]

"There were demons with guns, who marched through this place, Killing everything that moved, they're an Inhuman race" - alice cooper. . Let's stop talking about soldiers and their ethics guys let's wonder why they're suiciding which ... would be normal? I mean haven't soldiers always been traumatized after the war? Heck most veterans think they're awesome and stuff like that just cause they went to the war, I think that's a sort of trauma, heh

[{MoG} Blue Screen of Death]

No that was the WW2 vets nowadays they are all sad and gloomy I wish it was like the WWII celebration at the end of the Iraq war then its something to look forward to lol

[Zeus]

I see... well I hope soldiers stop suiciding if that's true, for I've not done research on the subject, I do admit that they must see things that us civilians don't in real life (at least not often like them) that could stick to your mind always, and moments of mental stress that threatens your life.. I also feel Extremely sorry for the arabians that must pay for this war, but I wonder if they suicide too, their soldiers I mean.

[Gigan]

Forgive me if this sounds like an odd question (haven't had me coffee yet) but this thread, as interesting as it is, but what has it to do with TV and media?

[Zeus]

I wouldn't know, ask rosemary she started it, maybe, since it contains the death subject.. I don't know..

[Gigan]

I'm going to move this to 'Investigation and Research' as this seems more fitting for that thread (under research, obviously)

[Rosemary]

No Comment other than to say I stand one hundred percent behind what has been written by me and the Spirits who write through me doing automatic writing.. These are not all my ideas these are made through automatic writing by the Spirits of the dead in the Spirit World.

[Aliamaru]

I believe alot of our returning military suffer from post Traumatic Stress Disorder and its a miracle if anyone can come back from a battle zone of any kind and not have some type of mental disturbance plaguing them in their everday life...As quoted from WebMD:.

Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), once called shell shock or battle fatigue syndrome, is a serious condition that can develop after a person has experienced or witnessed a traumatic or terrifying event in which serious physical harm occurred or was threatened. PTSD is a lasting consequence of traumatic ordeals that cause intense fear, helplessness, or horror, such as a sexual or physical assault, the unexpected death of a loved one, an accident, war, or natural disaster. Families of victims can also develop posttraumatic stress disorder, as can emergency personnel and rescue workers...Most people who experience a traumatic event will have reactions that may include shock, anger, nervousness, fear and even guilt. These reactions are common; and for most people, they go away over time. For a person with PTSD, however, these feelings continue and even increase, becoming so strong that they keep the person from living a normal life. People with PTSD have symptoms for longer than one month and cannot function as well as before the event occurred...Symptoms of PTSD most often begin within three months of the event. In some cases, however, they do not begin until years later. The severity and duration of the illness vary. Some people recover within six month, while others suffer much longer...Symptoms of PTSD often are grouped into three main categories, including:..Re-living: People with PTSD repeatedly re-live the ordeal through thoughts and memories of the trauma. These may include flashbacks, hallucinations and nightmares. They also may feel great distress when certain things remind them of the trauma, such as the anniversary date of the event. .Avoiding: The person may avoid people, places, thoughts or situations that may remind him or her of the trauma. This can lead to feelings of detachment and isolation from family and friends, as well as a loss of interest in activities that the person once enjoyed. .Increased arousal: These include excessive emotions; problems relating to others, including feeling or showing affection; difficulty falling or staying asleep; irritability; outbursts of anger; difficulty concentrating; and being "jumpy" or easily startled. The person may also suffer physical symptoms, such as increased blood pressure and heart rate, rapid breathing, muscle tension, nausea and diarrhea.

.Its common to assume that anyone who goes through hell and comes back in one piece will feel some sort of fear, anger of anxiety...I do not support the War in Iraq, but I do stand up for the soldiers who do their job to the best of their ability and come home, whether in good health or injured or in need of counseling and from some of the stories that have sufaced about soldiers committing crimes overseas, I would say that the government is overlooking the fact that they are keeping the soldiers in that hell too long and as a result they crack like eggs...If you had to sit in a situation where there were shootings, bombs going off and people dying from minute to minute on a daily basis, how would you feel after a few months?..I sincerely believe that a serious investment should be made to look after our soldiers afte rthey return home, not just for their physical wellbeing, but their mental wellbeing also...You have to look at the person as a complete package, not just a piece at a time.

[fiendo]

very well stated, Alia. ..... my ten cents worth.... I have a close friend who was a "career" soldier, in fact a member of an elite group...but not the type of man to talk about his"work". over many years i got to know him better, and whilst he would never give me an insight into what exactly he had done whilst on the job, a fair indication was he left his "career" when his wife told him, "choose between me and the army, because every time you go away, its another man who comes back". he did explain having lost friends to suicide, due to the failure to re-ajust to "normal " society upon return from active service.... this isnt a new thing, many returned soldiers suffer from allsorts of problems,(i have family members,who still suffer) and having looked into the USA's treatment of its veterans, the high incidence of suicide isnt really suprising.. ...take a man, teach him how to kill, have him do that "job' at your bidding, then send him home to live as an average citizen.....how would you cope?. but many do, but humans, for all their resourcefulness, and streangth, still have weaknesses, and i wonder, if there was a study comparing suicides in the male population(civilian) to that in the military, would there be that much of a difference?

[{MoG} Blue Screen of Death]

It depends on if its peace time or war time

[Zeus]

and that's why Soldiers must be taught what war really is before they go, not just make'em do pushups, grab a rifle, learn to shot it, and Infantry attack (aerial or naval) strategies, Most kids who join the dang armies or navies do it for the money or the free college, that's what they want, a future, not blood.

[Rosemary]

I think many of you are missing the meaning of my post.. . I was trying to offer a solution by saying if I could have four spirits of the dead sitting inside my body since l986 the first anniversary of the death of Dr. P. then its possible the Suicidal Soldiers could be helped and avoid suicide if more people would accept the truth of what the Spirits of the Dead are Capable of.. . There are many Psychiatrists out there now who have accepted the fact that some multiple personalities are brought about because those humans have the spirits of the dead sitting inside their body and when this is discovered the Therapists need to do therapy not only on the Possessed Human but the Spirits inside their body and try to get them to accept their death and leave the human body which does not belong to them.. . Now I believe those who are dabbling in the Paranormal should stop talking all this drivel and accept the reality of the Spirit World if you are to learn anything and stop passing all this garbage you are talking on to others who are interested in learning the truth about the Spirit World and Life after Death.. . You have all been brainwashed since birth about God and Jesus and Angels and Heaven to the point you are not ready to accept the reality of what may lay ahead for you in the Spirit World beyond Death when you suddenly find your spirit out there in the cold universe just hanging around, hoping someone will see you or hear you and believe you are alive.. . What there is no Heaven?. What people don't really burn in Hell for their Sins?. I don't have all the answers yet, but from what I am learning that is a real possiblity.. All I know for sure is what I have experienced, and I also know there is a reservoir of knowledge up there that knows everything about us from birth til death, but I also know at this point in time he has absolutely no control over the spirits that I am dealing with but he is about watching me type this and I am now asking him point blank to stop giving me so much bull about the afterlife and tell me why the H... he doesn't solve my problem with these four spirits if he has so much power in the Universe?

Edited by Rosemary, 23 November 2007 - 08:29 AM.

[Zeus]

oh alright sorry rose.. so you're saying that if soldiers realized that in the after life they could be even more powerful then they'd stop suiciding ?

[Rosemary]

I didn't say that at all.. I was trying to say that some soldiers who think about suicide could be actually picking up the sad thoughts of people who died in war.. And so while the word possession got into the copy they don't necessarily have to be sitting inside a body, but some might.. Some people who are sensitive and have psychic talent but not be aware of it could be actually picking up communication with sad spirits beyond the veil of death and it could influence their thinking.