22 replies to this topic

[Laura]

Demonic infestations appear to be on the rise & are significantly different than malevolent hauntings. For paranormal investigators, there are severe repercussions for being involved in demonic cases. Your involvement will be perceived as a threat to their main objective, the demonic will remember who you are, & they will retaliate...My advice for paranormal investigators who encounter the demonic is to seek immediate help from someone who has experience, (i.e. John Zaffis) resolving demonic infestations. John is world renowned in the paranormal field and is the nephew of Ed and Lorraine Warren. If you need his contact information, I will gladly provide it.

[fiendo]

uh oh....you mentioned that "warren" name.....*hides*

[SammyTerry]

uh oh....you mentioned that "warren" name.....*hides*

....Double uh oh....I think I hear "Rosemary" coming......just joking...< Laura, if you have gone back and read some past threads, you'll see not all here at GM are fond of the "Warrens"..>

[Laura]

It is difficult for me to develop an opinion on the Warrens because I've never spoken to or met them. However, I do know John Zaffis does his best to assist individuals who desperately need help. ..

....Double uh oh....I think I hear "Rosemary" coming......just joking...< Laura, if you have gone back and read some past threads, you'll see not all here at GM are fond of the "Warrens"..>

Edited by Laura, 24 October 2007 - 04:43 AM.

[Hades]

I found this on wikipedia.."Critics counter that the work of Ed and Lorraine Warren were based on facts that were either misinterpreted by them and/or overly-influenced by their personal religious beliefs, noting that many of their claims have failed to stand up to serious independent scrutiny. In part, this criticism rests on the fact that the Warrens' early investigative techniques relied heavily on Lorraine Warren's claimed clairvoyant and trance medium abilities and that the subjective interpretation of her impressions were often substituted in lieu of hard evidence or verifiable data. (Modern ghost hunting now utilizes more scientific and exact methods than the techniques often employed by the Warrens)."..I and everyone can respect their religious beliefs, but I think we can all say that they're quacks in their field of profession.

[SammyTerry]

....never the less, I think that should not reflect on "John Zaffis", . not knowing his personal background in the field.

[Laura]

This blog isn't about the Warrens, it's about demonic infestation. ..

I found this on wikipedia.."Critics counter that the work of Ed and Lorraine Warren were based on facts that were either misinterpreted by them and/or overly-influenced by their personal religious beliefs, noting that many of their claims have failed to stand up to serious independent scrutiny. In part, this criticism rests on the fact that the Warrens' early investigative techniques relied heavily on Lorraine Warren's claimed clairvoyant and trance medium abilities and that the subjective interpretation of her impressions were often substituted in lieu of hard evidence or verifiable data. (Modern ghost hunting now utilizes more scientific and exact methods than the techniques often employed by the Warrens)."..I and everyone can respect their religious beliefs, but I think we can all say that they're quacks in their field of profession.

[LIGhostChick]

John Zaffis is an excellent person to turn to as well as Adam Blai. They both are very knowledgeable.

[Laura]

I haven't heard of Adam Blai. Where is he located?..

John Zaffis is an excellent person to turn to as well as Adam Blai. They both are very knowledgeable.

[insecret]

Am in serious need of help.... believe someone to be under attack of demons. Very likely oppression and infestation.... lives in virginia

[georgek]

Am in serious need of help.... believe someone to be under attack of demons. Very likely oppression and infestation.... lives in virginia.

..For a start....demons don't exist....well at least here, anyway!..Throughout my lifetime experience, I have come across a few nasty things, but that is only because I 'prodded about' with a few in my time!..If someone is conversant and is able to evaluate what demons look like, then indeed they are more experienced than you or I! ..To see demons and to know what they are....the person has to be able to 'see'!..Being able to 'see' gives them the added advantage of understanding what they are dealing with, and hardly deserves anybodies help, least of all ours?..This demon crap, has been with us, since biblical days, and the real demons are people's own!..If it is serious help this person is after, then there is little what anyone can do to persuade otherwise; if demons are what comes to them?..There are some pretty nasty entities about, and it just takes a bit of this person's own imagination to allow whatever is attacking to fit PERFECTLY into the description that has been laid aside for it!

Edited by georgek, 11 May 2012 - 11:18 PM.

[UngratefulDead]

As a new member, I tend to just see what is going on, as in dynamics of the group, so to speak, until I read what is cited above about demons not existing. As the comment went on, I saw that trying to debate it was not workable, so I just decided to put my thoughts out. Yes they do, have existed since the "Fall", and will exist until who knows when. Most major religions hsve them mentioned in the religious works and I don't think it is by chance.Sometime, somewhere, it was decided they needed to be included. Demons, prior angels, really don't like us, never did, never will. It comes down to belief. No one can prove they don't exist and accepting Hell being real, one then has to accept that demons do. According to books on "demonology, they basically run the place, well almost but quite powerful,and want back what they lost.

[Sir JGP]

Sorry Georgek but I have to disagree with you. . . Unless you can give me 100% proof they do not exist then I don't see how you can say they don't. . You may not believe in them but that does not prove they do not exist. . . I am not saying I can prove they do but I do believe there are many things that we as human beings. have yet to learn, we have by no means found the answers to all life and the worlds mysteries and . I doubt we ever will. . . I will keep an open mind until I have proof either way.

[ghostgirlie]

Whether it's a demon or a mean entity, you can find help somewhere. I hear John Zaffis is one of the best.

Edited by ghostgirlie, 14 May 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[ghostgirlie]

I agree with Sir JGP 100%. You just don't know what's really out there.

[georgek]

I agree with Sir JGP 100%. You just don't know what's really out there..

.Well...either prove or disprove, there is no scientific research that can do either...We may not be able to see clearly what is out there, but generally speaking (if there is such a phase, relating to this?)most psychics and mystics will agree that the only demons that you are likely to meet, are those on the other planes...if you go out looking for them. Yet in nearly all cases, any demons that you are likely to meet are ones own!..From my experience of 61 years, being an active researcher; I have never come across any!..I have been scratched a few times, and even possessed, which would convince most, of demon manifestation. By rights, I should have been killed, and certified insane with my tongue hanging out...lol..That never happened, but it was most unpleasant!..Take for example, life in outer space? ..Logic would assume, that there is material life out there?.We assume on this basis, because we cannot see...Some may even say the opposite?..If we had a giant telescope, we are then in a position to see further, so our hypothesis becomes a little stronger, based on our increased perception...Likewise with demons.....I have seen no evidence!..The Astral seems clear? Perhaps there are entities that disguise as demons???..They don't come to me, because I can see what is out there...Perhaps I don't see too clearly?..Maybe so.....but I am not the one screaming about them!..If I sat in the same room, they would not be hurting me, or anyone who did not believe in them!..How many people are attacked by demons, who don't believe or accept them?..Very few if any!..Why is that...that is something you all must ask yourselves?

Edited by georgek, 14 May 2012 - 05:20 AM.

[georgek]

As a new member, I tend to just see what is going on, as in dynamics of the group, so to speak, until I read what is cited above about demons not existing. As the comment went on, I saw that trying to debate it was not workable, so I just decided to put my thoughts out. Yes they do, have existed since the "Fall", and will exist until who knows when. Most major religions hsve them mentioned in the religious works and I don't think it is by chance.Sometime, somewhere, it was decided they needed to be included. Demons, prior angels, really don't like us, never did, never will. It comes down to belief. No one can prove they don't exist and accepting Hell being real, one then has to accept that demons do. According to books on "demonology, they basically run the place, well almost but quite powerful,and want back what they lost..

.Okay......Firstly the Hell that you refer to is, the Gehenna sulfur pits outside Jerusalem, used by the priests to gain power of converts..."The Fall", is related to man being incarnated by:- "Unless ye be born again". It refers to the acceptance of SIN and The Tribe of Edom (Adam and Eve)....again a myth!..We need sin to survive...or we die...simple!..The church states that we are born into SIN and cannot be saved, unless we accept the one and only true God, being Jesus Christ!..You are allowed to murder, fornicate and kill, as long as you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. If people wish to believe that murderess and thieves will be saved, as opposed to godly people who do not accept this...then fine!..The actual fall of mankind, is based on spiritual blindness, and having to crawl on HADES Hades meaning back to earth!..The split....being materialism and spiritualism. Demonology is dirived from evil...devil demon..This being the negativity of good. Yin and Yan and the balance of what we all need to survive here on earth...The demons are already here, and doing a very good job with Christianity! So is the church which is getting richer...There is literally nothing what you and I could give any demon, as there is not much lower states of life than ourselves...The true demons do not take pittance from even the poor, so I don't think that will bother us much...The only thing you are likely to meet, is your own demons.....Ones that yourself has created here in the Astral that we call KARMA...Some of these things, take ghostly shapes and return to those who created them.

[UngratefulDead]

Appreciate the info. am always willing to read from, or hear from anyone that can present an opinion, one way or another, something woefully lacking on many sites that deals with the "less than normal". Thanks, again..

[Sir JGP]

Well...either prove or disprove, there is no scientific research that can do either...We may not be able to see clearly what is out there, but generally speaking (if there is such a phase, relating to this?)most psychics and mystics will agree that the only demons that you are likely to meet, are those on the other planes...if you go out looking for them. Yet in nearly all cases, any demons that you are likely to meet are ones own!..From my experience of 61 years, being an active researcher; I have never come across any!..I have been scratched a few times, and even possessed, which would convince most, of demon manifestation. By rights, I should have been killed, and certified insane with my tongue hanging out...lol..That never happened, but it was most unpleasant!..Take for example, life in outer space? ..Logic would assume, that there is material life out there?.We assume on this basis, because we cannot see...Some may even say the opposite?..If we had a giant telescope, we are then in a position to see further, so our hypothesis becomes a little stronger, based on our increased perception...Likewise with demons.....I have seen no evidence!..The Astral seems clear? Perhaps there are entities that disguise as demons???..They don't come to me, because I can see what is out there...Perhaps I don't see too clearly?..Maybe so.....but I am not the one screaming about them!..If I sat in the same room, they would not be hurting me, or anyone who did not believe in them!..How many people are attacked by demons, who don't believe or accept them?..Very few if any!..Why is that...that is something you all must ask yourselves?.

..You explanation is fine and I am not arguiung with it. but I still have to say I dissagree. But that is all part the course of the .paranormal. What one person believes is very often very different to what other do. I for one think we as humans have a long way .to go to understand what is out there.

[godschild]

For a start....demons don't exist....well at least here, anyway!..Throughout my lifetime experience, I have come across a few nasty things, but that is only because I 'prodded about' with a few in my time!..If someone is conversant and is able to evaluate what demons look like, then indeed they are more experienced than you or I! ..To see demons and to know what they are....the person has to be able to 'see'!..Being able to 'see' gives them the added advantage of understanding what they are dealing with, and hardly deserves anybodies help, least of all ours?..This demon crap, has been with us, since biblical days, and the real demons are people's own!..If it is serious help this person is after, then there is little what anyone can do to persuade otherwise; if demons are what comes to them?..There are some pretty nasty entities about, and it just takes a bit of this person's own imagination to allow whatever is attacking to fit PERFECTLY into the description that has been laid aside for it!.

The biggest lie the devil ever told was that he didnt exist!! So you believe that lie also

Edited by godschild, 02 October 2012 - 06:01 PM.