[Gigan]

I personally don't like them that much. For $30 there is a perfectly good emf detector available from most online 'Ghost Hunter' stores.

[Hades]

ya, but the problem with emfs detectors are that they pick up every electrical source, so i wouldn't really rely on it for firm evidence.

[Lily of the Lake]

EvanParant, on Jul 27 2007, 08:14 AM, said:

ya, but the problem with emfs detectors are that they pick up every electrical source, so i wouldn't really rely on it for firm evidence.

Yes, I agree with you Evan.
I'm not a big fan of the EMF's because of the chances of picking up an alarm clock.
But they do help sometimes, when it's in the center of the room (or away from electrical objects) and the readings fluxate frequently.

[Gigan]

EvanParant, on Jul 27 2007, 08:14 AM, said:

ya, but the problem with emfs detectors are that they pick up every electrical source, so i wouldn't really rely on it for firm evidence.

true, but then an investigator worth their salt should be aware and eliminate false positives before resorting to esoterical reasons for other sources of EM energy. Truth be told, we currently don't have anything that gives firm readings to provide firm evidence, as we still don't know what we are measuring... we are assuming a lot, and proving very little, which is why this field is somewhat looked down upon by the scientific community.

[Hades]

I have to agree with u big G. Yes, we are assuming things and getting little answers, but thats not going to stop us now is it?

[Rosemary]

EvanParant, on Jul 26 2007, 04:10 PM, said:

Rosemary, do you believe that oujia boards can cause a formation of a portal from the living world to the spirit world?

Yes.
My Relatives when we get together all get on the board and talk to those in the Spirit World and its kind of like a family reunion.
Those in the Spirit World know when we get together and they join us in a kind of family reunion.

[SammyTerry]

EvanParant
ya, but the problem with emfs detectors are that they pick up every electrical source, so i wouldn't really rely on it for firm evidence.
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Gigan, on Jul 27 2007, 11:27 AM, said:

true, but then an investigator worth their salt should be aware and eliminate false positives before resorting to esoterical reasons for other sources of EM energy. Truth be told, we currently don't have anything that gives firm readings to provide firm evidence, as we still don't know what we are measuring... we are assuming a lot, and proving very little, which is why this field is somewhat looked down upon by the scientific community.

I agree with "G" here,
in some cases "Ghost Hunters" will do an EMF sweep of rooms or locations
and log all readings before doing the actual investigating...

[Hades]

i have to agree with you there, but I wouldn't really use it to find evidence

[SammyTerry]

EvanParant, on Jul 28 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

i have to agree with you there, but I wouldn't really use it to find evidence

Your right Evan, one really can't use an EMF detector to find evidence or prove anything paranormal.
But if an investigator does an emf sweep first, like I mentioned then they have something to go by
Just like COLD or Hot spots, they cant prove anything but added with emf readings, evps and
personal experiences...they can help back up a supposed haunting.

[Hades]

its not that I have a problem with emf detectors, but i haven't really accepted them as i do with the thermal cam or the K-2. I rememeber when I first saw it on Ghost Hunters, they were at this lighthouse and they used it to follow spikes up the spiral stairs. Im still kind of skeptic but I think that they have some importance

[SammyTerry]

EvanParant, on Jul 28 2007, 01:17 PM, said:

its not that I have a problem with emf detectors, but i haven't really accepted them as i do with the thermal cam or the K-2. I rememeber when I first saw it on Ghost Hunters, they were at this lighthouse and they used it to follow spikes up the spiral stairs. Im still kind of skeptic but I think that they have some importance

Exactly..they can help verify what may be "felt"..for now that's about it
And yes the thermal cam is great..! it can be used in so many different ways....

[Hades]

i have to agree, but when ur doing a scientific investigation, u can't always rely on feelings

[Minty Freshness]

So true Evan, just because you have a feeling that something is there doesn't mean there is.

[SammyTerry]

actually by"Felt" I meant cold spots and such...not personal feelings ....

[Hades]

Sammy, were talking about electric fields, not temperatures.

[Greygoat]

EvanParant, on Sep 15 2007, 08:08 AM, said:

Sammy, were talking about electric fields, not temperatures.

Evan, you do Sammy an injustice.

By using an EMF detector in conjuction with temperature readings Sammy is providing independant evidences of a phenomenon. If both methods indicate something is present at a particular position then the two data sets reinforce each other - it's good science not poor understanding by Sammy.

[Hades]

The EMF detector might indicate something present, but what it indicates can be miss leading. You could think that u are picking up a high emf but actually ur finding energy from a electrical box in the wall or picking up electrical currents from the cords. The K-2 does have some flaws similar to the emf, but i can agree with some professionalism, u can use both very effectivly. I wouldn't depend on the K-2 as much as i would a thermal camera, but if i was dealing with an intellectual haunting i would use it, the EMF detector i would use to some degree and would classify anything i found to be lighty weighted evidence.

[Crosis]

IMO there aren't many Emf meters worth their asking price. yes i use them but i use them to pinpoint emf from any source as i am a firm believer that emf actually causes people to have a paranormal experience rather than the popular belief that spirit cause emf fluctuations.

The data i get from them is next to useless in so far as i can tell how intense a field is, but not what frequency the field is so we cant look for other frequency fields rather than picking up the 50Hz in UK (60Hz US i believe) mains hum that in the calibrated frequency range of most if not all emf meters. knowing what frequency a field is would be so helpful in identifying what frequency field is more likely to cause a "paranormal experience".

However, finding Hot spots and mapping where experiences happen to see if any locations coincide is valid so worth doing.

And just so we stay on topic i don't think its any better than any other emf meter on the market but some of the reports say its a low end set of electronics and has numerous faults.

Also if its a single axis meter a slight movement of the meter can change the reading, personally i think they are too overused in this field and lots of people misuse them.

Personally i don't believe they are contacting spirit as that would mean belief in ghosts, and i don't.

I definitely wouldn't want one. I will stick with my trusty tecpel.




**Runs off to don flame r******ant clothing**

Apologies if this doesn't make any sense, just getting over Flu.....i may still be rambling on like a loony

[SammyTerry]

Makes perfect sence Crosis..
and thanks Greygoat..that's exactly what I meant.

Plus I would think any experienced Ghost Hunter does an EMF sweep..before they do the actual investigation.
And I have read/seen where EMF's may cause some to experience strange phenomena.
Which makes me wonder if anyone has tried emitting high emf's just to see if they can create a paranormal experiance.

[fiendo]

intresting idea you give me Ghoulish one...altering the environment to "create" a ghost..probally been done before...let me think...