[Chupa]

Chase, on Jul 18 2007, 01:45 PM, said:

Thanks Iwona I'm a little bit out of the loop right now and still trying to catch up! Bear with me

But back to ancient ghosts...

I have wondered why there is often a lack of ghost activity in sites like, as you mentioned, Pompeii and others like Stone Henge, The Pyramids, Olympus etc... Perhaps the ghosts there choose not to haunt the locations as, when we have mentioned in other threads, they have the ability to choose if they can/can't appear

..or, following the Stone Tape Theory, they just fade out like a voice on the old tape

[Lily of the Lake]

Chase, on Jul 18 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

Thanks Iwona I'm a little bit out of the loop right now and still trying to catch up! Bear with me

But back to ancient ghosts...

I have wondered why there is often a lack of ghost activity in sites like, as you mentioned, Pompeii and others like Stone Henge, The Pyramids, Olympus etc... Perhaps the ghosts there choose not to haunt the locations as, when we have mentioned in other threads, they have the ability to choose if they can/can't appear

You have a good idea going about this.
Could they possibly "learn" how to control the appearances over a period of time?
Rather than just a fade.

[Greygoat]

Lily Baker, on Jul 19 2007, 02:13 AM, said:

You have a good idea going about this.
Could they possibly "learn" how to control the appearances over a period of time?
Rather than just a fade.

Lacking reliable communication with spirits (in my humble opinion), it is hard to determine whether spirits might be capable of learning and changing their behaviour based on that learning. Failing such communication, it would be necessary to study a haunting over a very extended time period. We'll need some very patient ghost-hunters (maybe generations of them) to answer this kind of question.

[Luna]

Greygoat, on Jul 19 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

Lacking reliable communication with spirits (in my humble opinion), it is hard to determine whether spirits might be capable of learning and changing their behaviour based on that learning. Failing such communication, it would be necessary to study a haunting over a very extended time period. We'll need some very patient ghost-hunters (maybe generations of them) to answer this kind of question.

Maybe we don't need ghost hunters...just a family who's owned a house with activity in it over several generations. I'd think there'd be stories passed down...maybe some are more well documented than others. Would be interesting if someone fitting that description would post here

[Rosemary]

I have been writing here about my four ghosts who have been haunting me for a good long time, but in my case no one much believes my story.

its possible someone would have believed me if I called them ghosts and or apparations and orbs and ectoplasmic formations instead of by their names that I knew them by in this lifetime.

Although I am referring to them now as Evil Spirits because of their bad behavior they aren't much different now than they were when they walked the Earth, they just have different bodies now but still have the same, mean, suspicious controlling personalities they had when they walked the Earth.

They have told me Ghosts don't hang around in cemeteries and old buildings much but when they catch a glimpse of their relatives and others on Earth who want to go ghost hunting sometimes they tag along and try to give them a show to make believers out of them so once they get back to the house they will be more receptive to their existance and then perhaps they can talk to them once in a while and perhaps write through them and this is one of the ways they make life in the Spirit World a little more enjoyable because they say sometimes its quite boring just hanging out on a fluffy cloud or languishing in an old dark building or cemetery.

My Ghosts are ancient since George lived back about the time of Abraham Lincoln, and Eve passed over in the fourties and Carrie in the Mid Fifties and to many people that is ancient depending on your age.

Although I believe in Heaven and Hell like we are taught since Birth in more than 20 years I have not managed to learn much about Heaven and hell from the Guides or my Realtives and in fact most of the Spirits I am personally acquainted with hang around and watch television and give advice on almost everything that goes on in my life and in fact are very controlling.

[Luna]

Rosemary, on Jul 19 2007, 06:44 PM, said:

I have been writing here about my four ghosts who have been haunting me for a good long time, but in my case no one much believes my story.

its possible someone would have believed me if I called them ghosts and or apparations and orbs and ectoplasmic formations instead of by their names that I knew them by in this lifetime.

Although I am referring to them now as Evil Spirits because of their bad behavior they aren't much different now than they were when they walked the Earth, they just have different bodies now but still have the same, mean, suspicious controlling personalities they had when they walked the Earth.

They have told me Ghosts don't hang around in cemeteries and old buildings much but when they catch a glimpse of their relatives and others on Earth who want to go ghost hunting sometimes they tag along and try to give them a show to make believers out of them so once they get back to the house they will be more receptive to their existance and then perhaps they can talk to them once in a while and perhaps write through them and this is one of the ways they make life in the Spirit World a little more enjoyable because they say sometimes its quite boring just hanging out on a fluffy cloud or languishing in an old dark building or cemetery.

My Ghosts are ancient since George lived back about the time of Abraham Lincoln, and Eve passed over in the fourties and Carrie in the Mid Fifties and to many people that is ancient depending on your age.

Although I believe in Heaven and Hell like we are taught since Birth in more than 20 years I have not managed to learn much about Heaven and hell from the Guides or my Realtives and in fact most of the Spirits I am personally acquainted with hang around and watch television and give advice on almost everything that goes on in my life and in fact are very controlling.

Right on Rosemary, but in your case your spirits are possessing spirits. I was speaking along the lines of a haunting. For example, a house that has been in a family for multiple generation, where multiple people over the years have been witness to the same ghost. Judging from the different stories, alot of data could be collected about the same ghost from multiple sources who have had more than a brief visit within the ghosts enviroment. Hope I explained that correctly.

I'm not saying your ghosts aren't ancient though. Have you ever tried any genealogical studies on your ghosts? It might be interesting to put faces to them, if you could find old photographs and records on George, Eve, and Carrie

[Greygoat]

They don't sound ancient by the standards being discussed in this thread.

[Luna]

Greygoat, on Jul 19 2007, 07:34 PM, said:

They don't sound ancient by the standards being discussed in this thread.

Agreed, but I didn't want to blow someone elses opinion out of the water. If Rosemary looks on them as ancient then I'm not gonna argue

[Rosemary]

Luna, on Jul 19 2007, 05:17 AM, said:

Right on Rosemary, but in your case your spirits are possessing spirits. I was speaking along the lines of a haunting. For example, a house that has been in a family for multiple generation, where multiple people over the years have been witness to the same ghost. Judging from the different stories, alot of data could be collected about the same ghost from multiple sources who have had more than a brief visit within the ghosts enviroment. Hope I explained that correctly.

I'm not saying your ghosts aren't ancient though. Have you ever tried any genealogical studies on your ghosts? It might be interesting to put faces to them, if you could find old photographs and records on George, Eve, and Carrie

The Spirits and I were having a little fun with the copy this morning so sorry if you didn't find it humorous.
As I said before I don't just have the possessing spirits I have said many times I am in communication with many spirits in the Spirit World.

I even said on more than one occassion that the Spirit of John and Robert F. Kennedy are here as Guides but of course they are not permitted to just be ordinary ghosts working from my small house here in the Midwest but they are.

They like to go shopping with me and one of the good things about them being invisible tomost people is they don't need Secret service now but can just go up and down the aisles of the supermarket and help me make food selections just like any old ordinary relatives.

Sometimes God goes along to help me try to frighten and or talk the spirits out of my body but they are afraid to venture out now so I am just using them as guinea pig teachers if thats what they choose to be.

I have learned many things from them since I have been working with them since the eighties.
For example did you know that JFK was not only a womanizer he was also an alcoholic back in those days and this is one of the reasons he took so many naps with hollywood starlets back then.

And Robert F. Kennedy although he was a father of many Children he was also a cross dressing bi-sexual behind the Scenes.

He was turned into what he became because of the Priests who molested him at the private catholic schools he was sent to as a child.

But don't get me wrong he also had many girl friends and boyfriends back then in the Swinging White House and many Hollywood notables were part of the White House Pool and so they just called themselves swingers and never got into the other things that have not come out of the closet in this day and age.

Behind the Scenes Robert as Attorney General and later as a U.S. Senator used cocaine and he said when he visited Jackie in New York when their society friends dropped over there was cocaine in candy dishes sitting about on Coffee Tables.

I said then no wonder JFK Jr. was so tolerant towards his friends who did cocaine he grew up with these things.

My Guides have told me its alright to write these kinds of things and we will just label it Tabloid Journalism.

[Luna]

Cool Rosemary, sorry for the miscommunication. Robert F. Kennedy never attended any catholic schools as a child though. That aside, I'm not sure how the whole JFK thing pertains to what we're talking about?

[Jovield]

I love Rosemary's posts! I've spent the last 3 days reading them.

Back on topic.

Could it be possible that ghosts, after a while, just get bored with haunting and appearing to the unsuspecting, and move on to whatever is next?
Maybe, after everyone they've ever known is dead, the interest just isn't there anymore and they find something else to do.

[Luna]

HiVeld, on Jul 20 2007, 12:29 PM, said:

I love Rosemary's posts! I've spent the last 3 days reading them.

Back on topic.

Could it be possible that ghosts, after a while, just get bored with haunting and appearing to the unsuspecting, and move on to whatever is next?
Maybe, after everyone they've ever known is dead, the interest just isn't there anymore and they find something else to do.

Only 3 days?

(Sorry Rosemary, just kidding )

That could be so HiVeld. I was also thinking last night that maybe it takes a long time for some ghosts to even realize that they're dead in the first place. Maybe (like you said) after everyone they know is dead, they start to realize that they're dead as well. Or maybe the people who die after them who they were close to, come and get them and bring them over to the other side. Heck I dunno, just throwing ideas out there

[Lily of the Lake]

HiVeld, on Jul 19 2007, 09:29 PM, said:

I love Rosemary's posts! I've spent the last 3 days reading them.

Back on topic.

Could it be possible that ghosts, after a while, just get bored with haunting and appearing to the unsuspecting, and move on to whatever is next?
Maybe, after everyone they've ever known is dead, the interest just isn't there anymore and they find something else to do.

It could be after they've lost purpose.
There's a ghost in the UK, a knight that haunts a hotel/inn and walks down the hall checking on the people at night.
Good point HiVeld!

[Jovield]

Lily of the Lake, on Jul 19 2007, 09:36 PM, said:

It could be after they've lost purpose.
There's a ghost in the UK, a knight that haunts a hotel/inn and walks down the hall checking on the people at night.
Good point HiVeld!

Exactly, Lily! Maybe when they have no more reason or interest here, they go on.
Hey, maybe the only ones that stay behind are the one's that are dedicated to whatever place or family that they haunt.
They feel they have a purpose here and so they stay behind.
Love the story of the knight! Where is that? I don't think I've heard it before.

[Jovield]

Luna, on Jul 19 2007, 09:34 PM, said:

Only 3 days?

(Sorry Rosemary, just kidding )

That could be so HiVeld. I was also thinking last night that maybe it takes a long time for some ghosts to even realize that they're dead in the first place. Maybe (like you said) after everyone they know is dead, they start to realize that they're dead as well. Or maybe the people who die after them who they were close to, come and get them and bring them over to the other side. Heck I dunno, just throwing ideas out there

I meant 3 days of spare time, which actually is equivalent to 6 or 7 hours in my world.

I think you may be right, we have no idea how long it takes for a ghost to realize that they are dead, if they don't know right away.

[Lily of the Lake]

HiVeld, on Jul 19 2007, 09:59 PM, said:

Exactly, Lily! Maybe when they have no more reason or interest here, they go on.
Hey, maybe the only ones that stay behind are the one's that are dedicated to whatever place or family that they haunt.
They feel they have a purpose here and so they stay behind.
Love the story of the knight! Where is that? I don't think I've heard it before.

I saw it a long time ago... on one of those travel channel haunted deals.
I'm tried to look for it but I can't find it.
I will continue to look for it though.

I'm really digging that theory.
It works for the living as well...

[Luna]

Lily of the Lake, on Jul 20 2007, 01:16 PM, said:

I saw it a long time ago... on one of those travel channel haunted deals.
I'm tried to look for it but I can't find it.
I will continue to look for it though.

I'm really digging that theory.
It works for the living as well...

I guess for me, that theory is a teeny bit depressing. Ok so they don't have anything better to do then to hang around, and when they lose intrest here they move on. That's like saying that where they "move on" to is so boring, that they'd rather stick around here. Then, only when here becomes more boring than there, they move on. I hope the afterlife isn't that incredibly dull.

[Jovield]

Luna, on Jul 19 2007, 10:22 PM, said:

I guess for me, that theory is a teeny bit depressing. Ok so they don't have anything better to do then to hang around, and when they lose intrest here they move on. That's like saying that where they "move on" to is so boring, that they'd rather stick around here. Then, only when here becomes more boring than there, they move on. I hope the afterlife isn't that incredibly dull.

Oh no! That's not what I meant at all.
I'll give you an example with the living if you don't mind.
My mother was a nurse. She was so dedicated to her job and when it was time for her to retire, she just wouldn't. Nursing was all that she knew and she felt that if she left then the patients wouldn't get the care that they needed without her.
Finally, after several years, she relented and retired. She is so happy now! She just didn't know that once she handed her duties over to someone else she would be free to do as she wished. She travels now and spends time with her grandchildren. She's having the time of her life, but before she retired she could think of nothing else but her responsibilities and her dedication to her job.

That's what I meant. Maybe the ghosts are so dedicated to what they knew in life that they won't move on until what they knew is gone and they have no choice.

[Luna]

HiVeld, on Jul 20 2007, 01:52 PM, said:

Oh no! That's not what I meant at all.
I'll give you an example with the living if you don't mind.
My mother was a nurse. She was so dedicated to her job and when it was time for her to retire, she just wouldn't. Nursing was all that she knew and she felt that if she left then the patients wouldn't get the care that they needed without her.
Finally, after several years, she relented and retired. She is so happy now! She just didn't know that once she handed her duties over to someone else she would be free to do as she wished. She travels now and spends time with her grandchildren. She's having the time of her life, but before she retired she could think of nothing else but her responsibilities and her dedication to her job.

That's what I meant. Maybe the ghosts are so dedicated to what they knew in life that they won't move on until what they knew is gone and they have no choice.

Ahhh I follow

That does make sense, I can see that being a possibility. Good example

[Rosemary]

Luna, on Jul 19 2007, 09:09 PM, said:

Cool Rosemary, sorry for the miscommunication. Robert F. Kennedy never attended any catholic schools as a child though. That aside, I'm not sure how the whole JFK thing pertains to what we're talking about?

When he told me Priests molested him I just assumed that this happened at a Catholic School.

But anyway he did say a Catholic Priest and he told me that back in the eighties long before anything much on the church molestations took place and I was afraid to write much on that back then, but now that the scandles have surfaced I can see he may have told me that so that our writing might prevent some of these things.

In fact the reason that Robert F. Kennedy told me about his bi-sexual status came about back in the eighties or nineties when a washington scandle broke about one of the Congressmen who allegedly was connected to a gay.

At the time they were trying to oust him so we wrote about Robert F. Kennedy being a Homosexual or bisexual in the hopes of helping that Congressman and not long after that gays began coming out of the closet right and left.